Other countries offering choice of vaccine

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I have relatives in Cyprus who are able to choose with vaccine they’d like - AZ or Pfizer.

They have been given an appointment for next week and told that they will be told beforehand which vaccine they are having, and if they want the other they can reschedule for that one.

I just read a news article which seems to confirm this.

Appreciate the population is minuscule compared to the UK and many other countries but given the recent news re AZ efficacy against the SA strain (which I believe will likely be the same against further mutations) - I can’t help but wish we’d order more Pfizer and give people the choice.

Watching the govt briefing now.

And it really is answering all of the questions raised here 😃

Oh god Johnson is so irritating.

Question asked.

PM flails around. 'Chris, you wanna have a go at this?'

I'm not surprised people are confused and 'the vak-seeeens.^

This is an absolutely awesome achievement in the UK. Johnson is entirely capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory here.

How? So despite plenty of young folk dying and suffering from long covid, there’s a possibility us “young folk” won’t even get any further jabs and it could be reserved for those who are at risk, like the annual flu jab. Even more reason to want THE most effective vaccine at this present time.

Meanwhile Chris Whitty is excellent.

why, what has he said related to this thread? (I'm not watching)

Has Pfizer done all the tests to proove its effective against sa strain as well then? I was't sure they had fully tested it ?

He started, and Whitty continued, with a round up of the various vaccines, waiting for further data, what is known, why they are doing what they are doing, how other vaccines will come on line, boosters and yearly shots included.

What some will moan about as him pfaffing is just him saying not yet, we haven't got that body of data yet.

And no, Pfizer data isn't available yet.

Whitty currently explaining that Israel should give us real data in the next couple of weeks.

ah thanks. I've already read some good summaries about the differences and the data, so haven't missed much (apart from apparently his hair is quite something today!!)

@donewithitalltodayandxmas Yes, they have tested it.

Ye gods! I went through that upthread

SUGGESTED does not mean HAS BEEN SHOWN TO

You are misrepresenting the Pfizer data!

Ooh! I like that. Sir Simon Stevens

We face a double pandemic

The covid pandemic

The pandemic of disinformation.

@CuriousaboutSamphire Uh huh. Their initial report suggested their vaccine would be 90% + effective and Israel real life data has confirmed this. Give it up, it’s a better vaccine and it’s okay to admit that 🙄

I am really sorry, but I can't.

Your playing fast and loose with scientific data is fucking annoying.

Am just thankful we are lucky enough to get one couldn't care less which one I get.

Can you link to the reports as I thought only partially tested and all data not available just yet ?

CuriousAboutSamphire I have noticed your somewhat animated posts on this and other threads. However, there's an awful lot of bluster and not much actual information. Or data. Which isn't terribly persuasive.

@donewithitalltodayandxmas Oh, you mean kinda like.. absolutely everything else right now?

@donewithitalltodayandxmas the in vitro studies showed it was still very effective, of course we need to wait for real life data but it’s highly likely to be more effective than AZ which is what this was all about to start with (some people seem to have forgotten)

Nothing is persuasive at the moment. Lots of being in limbo.. waiting.

Waiting for a mass of data; mass vaccination to keep rolling on; new vaccines to come on line; for infection rates to reduce; for our data to match Israeli data and on and on.

Not really all that surprising given the realities of the situation.

We will know the true efficacy rate of all of the vaccines in a wide range of situations eventually. But not immediately. Certainly not now, today!

Oh, you mean kinda like.. absolutely everything else right now?
Im not the one claiming its loads better and def works better , I was asking as I didn't think we had enough proof yet ?

You have gone from saying it does work better to highly likely
At the end of the day if you want a particular one and you have to wait longer thats your choice and yours to make , why do you need it validated on here. We can't give a choice with a population of 67 million and even in cyprus do they have enough doses if everyone just chose the one do you know , to give straight away ?

@donewithitalltodayandxmas Okay, well in that case, put it this way - Pfizer has been officially confirmed as more effective than AZ at combating the current dominant strain. In fact, most other available vaccines have been. That is 100% accurate information, available for anyone to check. As for the SA variant, it’s too soon to say 100% but as I said above, in vitro testing showed that the Pfizer vaccine still offered significant protection (marginally reduced to around 83% from 90% if I recall correctly) compared to the small AZ study showing less than 20% efficacy against it for mild disease. We don’t know if it protects again severe disease . Hopefully, but according to experts, unlikely.

You also seem to have forgotten your claims that AZ would only be 10% effective in some circumstances. Which is where I started to disagree with your reading of data.

That there is variation in efficacy is a given. That AZ currently has a nominal 7O+% efficacy rate and Pfizer a 90+% efficacy rate is not really disputed. Many, including eminent epidemiologists, Chris Whitty etc, have said that! It's not disputed that there are differences

But there is no real place for the blathering you have been doing across this thread.

Can't prove the 10% claim?

Move on to the SA strain

Can't support the idea we need to be protected right now against a non dominant variant?

Move on to claiming early data that suggests something is reliable data that proves something.

Move on to some other whatifery!

There is no certainty. The while bloody world is waiting for data.