Other countries offering choice of vaccine

[doireallyneedaname]

I have relatives in Cyprus who are able to choose with vaccine they’d like - AZ or Pfizer.

They have been given an appointment for next week and told that they will be told beforehand which vaccine they are having, and if they want the other they can reschedule for that one.

I just read a news article which seems to confirm this.

Appreciate the population is minuscule compared to the UK and many other countries but given the recent news re AZ efficacy against the SA strain (which I believe will likely be the same against further mutations) - I can’t help but wish we’d order more Pfizer and give people the choice.

Just seen this posted on another thread:
www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/18/south-african-covid-variant-may-cut-pfizer-vaccine-protection-by-two-thirds
So seems like Pfizer also much less effective against the SA variant but like Oxford AstraZeneca should protect against severe disease b

I think you better get some real stats. Erm! Not statistics. The lived experience of some front line health workers in Spain! As of yesterday, last time I spoke to them, they had not been vaccinated, not had anyone they work with!

I think I am conversant with the differences between the UK and Spanish rollout plans! It's not like there is much welse to discuss at the moment!

The lived experience of some front line health workers in Spain! As of yesterday, last time I spoke to them, they had not been vaccinated, not had anyone they work with!

This is anecdotal data. I can tell you the opposite and it means nothing. Again, look at the stats - roll out by of vaccines nationally, and given vaccines by autonomous regions.

@Alondra

The lived experience of some front line health workers in Spain! As of yesterday, last time I spoke to them, they had not been vaccinated, not had anyone they work with!

This is anecdotal data. I can tell you the opposite and it means nothing. Again, look at the stats - roll out by of vaccines nationally, and given vaccines by autonomous regions.

Erm! OK! I give in, you got me!

I am a terrible liar

Now, EVERYBODY OUT! MN IS NOT A PLACE FOR ANECDATA. EVERYBODY OUT!

Oh! No! It's a place for disussion and, if you choose to disbelieve someone you can!

Why are you screaming and taking discussion so personally?

@Alondra

Why are you screaming and taking discussion so personally?

Probably because that poster is sick & tired of trying to counter disinformation on this thread.

Probably because that poster is sick & tired of trying to counter disinformation on this thread.

Probably the poster instead of giving anecdotal data should try to give real information

mscbs.gob.es

Spanish vaccines per region, as people seem to want stats, these go from 3.0% to 7.6%.
www.statista.com/statistics/1196472/coronavirus-vaccination-rate-in-spain-by-region/. But (from links below) "As of February 16, 2.26 percent of people in Spain have received the two required doses of the Covid-19 vaccine." And only 1.57m have been given at least one dose (about 4%).

The supply issues mean stock must be held for second doses, because that is the vaccination policy. 7m (17%) Spanish are over 65, plus over 600,000 healthcare staff; so 15m doses are needed before getting on to clinically extremely vulnerable.
(ourworldindata.org/grapher/people-vaccinated-covid?tab=table&stackMode=absolute&time=earliest..latest&country=~ESP&region=World)

The issue, as everywhere, is insufficient vaccine supply: www.thelocal.es/20210216/spain-to-produce-at-least-four-covid-19-vaccines-as-moderna-supplies-dry-up. It isn't the Spanish government's fault any more than local regions, they trusted the EC to buy vaccines and manage supply. They take a cue from the EMA on managing roll-out to prioritise 2 doses over the proportion vaccinated. Hopefully taking control over more production will help a lot.

@Alondra

Probably because that poster is sick & tired of trying to counter disinformation on this thread.

Probably the poster instead of giving anecdotal data should try to give real information

mscbs.gob.es

Yes! I know what the official stats are! I have discussed them with my uncle, a front line health worker in Spain who has not had any vaccination, nor has any of his colleagues.

About 2 months ago I could have said that about care home workers where I live, here in England. Whilst the givernment were saying that X% of them had had their first jab nobody here, that being specifically the town I live in, had had theirs yet!

That's how stats work. They don't represent and even roll out of vaccines! They are a blunt instrument: We have X in thes group; 75% have been vaccinated, but nobody in that specific location just yet!

@MRex that's paywalled

But thanks for the data!

@Crumpetycrump

Just seen this posted on another thread: www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/18/south-african-covid-variant-may-cut-pfizer-vaccine-protection-by-two-thirds So seems like Pfizer also much less effective against the SA variant but like Oxford AstraZeneca should protect against severe disease b

That's a shocker and maybe a wake-up call for some posters!

@Alondra

The lived experience of some front line health workers in Spain! As of yesterday, last time I spoke to them, they had not been vaccinated, not had anyone they work with!

This is anecdotal data. I can tell you the opposite and it means nothing. Again, look at the stats - roll out by of vaccines nationally, and given vaccines by autonomous regions.

My anecdotal experience :

MIL of a friend in asturias , 80 + not vaccinated yet, not even a single dose
My family in the Basque Country 75+ not vaccinated yet , not even a single dose
Care worker in la rioja working with vulnerable people, not vaccinated yet not even a single dose
Andalucia, the mum of a friend of mine was getting today their 1st vaccination.

I'm not saying your experiences are a lie,,, I'm only saying that your first comment : those first line and over 75s have had both doses" is not really happening with the people I know

Yesterday Madrid resume vaccinating health care workers as they had stopped so they could give second doses
www.abc.es/espana/madrid/abci-madrid-retoma-vacunacion-sanitarios-y-empieza-poner-dosis-casas-dependientes-202102171240_noticia.html

3 days ago Cataluna started vaccinating the over 80s
elpais.com/espana/catalunya/2021-02-15/cataluna-empieza-a-vacunar-a-los-mayores-de-80-anos.html

""The first lot of vaccination (the 2 vaccines) have already been supplied to front line health care and over 75s. Spain is producing the Moderna vaccine and most population should be vaccinated by September.""

So this sentence from your previous post doesnt apply to all, but anecdotal ones

Sorry, I had given figures for over 65.
In Spain there are 4.7m over 75 and SNS is 600k workers, so 5.3m people. Spain have given 2.69m doses to 1.57m people by February 16th. It is not factually correct to say that 75+ and healthcare staff are done, even ignoring care workers and any other healthcare staff.
Vaccination stats from Our World in Data as linked above.

Just to make that super clear with a percentage, just under 20% of 75+/SNS fully vaccinated and just over 10% had a single dose. 30% is not anywhere near "already been supplied".

Well, in an unexpected turn of events I’ve just been added to the sodding shielding list. So, we’ll see how this goes.

Do you know why?

I am not asking you to say here, but if you are one of the new list you may not have looked at the contra indications etc.

Maybe one us, even those who have been disagreeing with you, has knowledge/ access to information that might help.

@CuriousaboutSamphire Yes I do. I had suspected gestational diabetes in my pregnancy last year, and at the time my BMI was 30. There are hundreds of women on my old gestational diabetes groups that have received the same letter / email today so it seems they’ve grouped it in for some reason. I’ve read a lot of diabetics have been added to the shielding list too. It’s all very strange.

There's a suggestion on the other thread that historic gd is a mistake. I'd say phone your gp, but only on this thread

@FourTeaFallOut Yep, I saw that. Hopefully it’s a mistake and they haven’t discovered a link between the two. I’d rather stick around a little bit longer for my kid!

As are all of us who are shielding.

@FourTeaFallOut Yeah, I realised as soon as I posted that how bad it sounded. When it comes to my health I usually dive straight in to worst case scenario, so I was thinking out loud. Apologies!

Interesting discussion on Radio 2, focusses on gestational diabetes, about 12.10... a GP explains in some detail how the new list, which sounds incredible, is individualised. So your letter is for you and you only, based on your individual health indicators.

It is built off data from the last year, has been tested to ensure accuracy and is now being rolled out to those who data now suggests are vulnerable - data they didn't have before!

@CuriousaboutSamphire Yeah, I heard. I’m still not convinced it’s for historic gestational diabetes, though. On the risk factor list it states chemo - and much like that I’m assuming it means current chemo, not chemo from 20 years ago. I believe all cancer patients old and current have been grouped in to group 6 - not classed as CEV!

I don’t have any other risk factors on the list at all, apart from GD. As the letter says, the “easiest” way to prioritise our jab is to include us within the CEV group, perhaps it was done this way from a logistics perspective rather than to suggest we are actually CEV.