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Is anyone actually going to follow the rules from spring?

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Cloudsurfing · 08/02/2021 22:01

It will have been a year since being allowed to properly see friends and family. Even in summer last year you still had to social distance so seeing family was difficult, and some areas had tighter restrictions throughout. Everyone I know is going to see family and friends from spring, regardless of what restrictions there are. I am too. The government do know that most people won’t stick to it from then, right?

Is anyone on here actually going to not see family at that point? I know Mumsnet seems to be full of people who are happy to isolate for years if need be, but are you actually going to?

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TheKeatingFive · 09/02/2021 15:07

Everyone saying they're not going to follow the rules needs to stop going on about how "it's different for them because of x y and z" and read the above.

Well as I’m waiting until my parents are vaxxed (and the time afterwards for immunity to build) it is different for me. Or am I missing something?

TheSunIsStillShining · 09/02/2021 15:08

My family is 1700 km away, 5 borders to cross by car. I don't think they will be letting us pass through in a UK registered car. :(
Otherwise I'd do it as we would drive 17hrs straight w/2 drivers and then stay at our own small flat. So no risk to us or anyone really.

secretllama · 09/02/2021 15:11

@TheKeatingFive

People are being told they are ‘selfish’ for wanting to see close friends and family, some of whom are old and don’t have infinite time left, after abiding by restrictions for the guts of a year.

Can posters not see how nuts that is?

Exactly! People who've had enough now aren't selfish. They've sacrificed a massive amount of their lives for nearly a year. A selfish person would not do that.
Bluesheep8 · 09/02/2021 15:13

Well as I’m waiting until my parents are vaxxed (and the time afterwards for immunity to build) it is different for me. Or am I missing something?

No that's not what I meant at all @TheKeatingFive. I meant all those who are justifying breaking the rules because the rules are hard for them to follow, ie just felt like seeing their parents. It's hard for all of us. I am waiting for the same as you. And for my own vaccine.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 09/02/2021 15:14

As I’m waiting until my parents are vaxxed (and the time afterwards for immunity to build) it is different for me

Nope - it was different once, because vaccinating the vulnerable was what we were told it would take to get some nornality back
But now the goalposts have been changed, and will most likely go right on changing, so once vaccinated the only thing left to do is use our own common sense and accept whatever overall risk is sensible to each of us

ConstanceMoss · 09/02/2021 15:15

Or am I missing something?

I don't think there is a guarantee the vaccine offers 100% protection.

Staffy1 · 09/02/2021 15:17

Yes.

TheKeatingFive · 09/02/2021 15:18

I don't think there is a guarantee the vaccine offers 100% protection.

Well of course not. What are we going to do, stay in lockdown until that is achieved? Assuming that’s even possible, which I doubt.

BellaBella36 · 09/02/2021 15:19

'But whenever you feel cross or angry or upset about schools not running as usual, could you drop a line to your MP asking for the vaccination of teachers to be prioritised?'

I'd rather trust the JCVI's priority lists tbh. If a teacher is cev they will have it anyway.

You wont mind home schooling for a little longer then.

MaxNormal · 09/02/2021 15:21

The goalposts have shifted one too many times for me. "If you break the rules, this will go on longer" is clearly bullshit. I'm done.

Mreggsworth · 09/02/2021 15:24

It really irritates me when people say we need to live with some level of risk in regards to covid. Not that I disagree, we will at some point have to live with a chance of catching covid. But covid isn't necessarily the risk. I know very few people who are actually that scared of catching covid (though I know that's obviously not the case if vulnerable)

All these steps arent being taken to prevent healthy people getting covid. They are being taken so that if healthy people were to become unhealthy or have an accident they can be kept alive by the NHS. As if covid runs rampant NHS staff will be off on sick, stress, staff will be moved to covid wards or the NHS may be put into a position they have to make decisions to not allow an older person access to treatment to prioritise the younger healthier ones...but thats ok for your life to be put first and go back to normal because "enough is enough of restrictions" and because you've done your "own risk assessment".

It's all well and good saying you can't live in fear. But I can 100% guarantee if you had a love one die from something that was potentially avoidable as the treatment wasnt available due to the stress on the NHS, if you could turn back time and stay stay locked down to prevent it, you would.

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Cloudsurfing · 09/02/2021 15:29

@BellaBella36

'But whenever you feel cross or angry or upset about schools not running as usual, could you drop a line to your MP asking for the vaccination of teachers to be prioritised?'

I'd rather trust the JCVI's priority lists tbh. If a teacher is cev they will have it anyway.

You wont mind home schooling for a little longer then.

It's already been said that once the vulnerable groups 1-9 have been vaccinated teachers will most likely be in the next group (along with all the other public facing roles). Of course they shouldn't get vaccinated sooner. Which of the vulnerable groups 1-10 would you bump down the list?
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LucilleTheVampireBat · 09/02/2021 15:30

But I can 100% guarantee if you had a love one die from something that was potentially avoidable as the treatment wasnt available due to the stress on the NHS, if you could turn back time and stay stay locked down to prevent it, you would

So, how does this apply to those of us who did watch our loved ones die because they were let down and not treated by "our NHS" before covid even existed?

Janus · 09/02/2021 15:32

@Mreggsworth this is totally the point for me. I’m sick of being told on places like Twitter that I am selfish for wanting people to stay in to protect the vulnerable and elderly. Yes, that’s part of the reason but MOSTLY it is to protect being in need of emergency care and there being no one there as they are all treating Covid patients like early January. We cannot just let it rip through society as that’s bad enough but it will also kill those involved in car crashes, having strokes, heart attacks etc.
So we just carry on and follow the science, what else can we do?

IcedPurple · 09/02/2021 15:32

@ConstanceMoss

Or am I missing something?

I don't think there is a guarantee the vaccine offers 100% protection.

No vaccine offers 100% protection, but we don't normally live in fear of illnesses against which people have been vaccinated.

Are you planning never to see your vulnerable relatives again?

ConstanceMoss · 09/02/2021 15:34

No, but I suspect I'm going to be feeling cautious for a while.

GreyTS · 09/02/2021 15:35

[quote MyDcAreMarvel]@BottegaBish it wasn’t needed and you should be ashamed of yourself. Your parents may not be high risk but other peoples are. How dare you risk peoples lives. I imagine you are trolling because few people are that evil.[/quote]
Good god.....some people are proper nut bags, evil?!? You'd want to calm down dearie or it won't be Covid that will kill you 🤣

Mreggsworth · 09/02/2021 15:35

@LucilleTheVampireBat

But I can 100% guarantee if you had a love one die from something that was potentially avoidable as the treatment wasnt available due to the stress on the NHS, if you could turn back time and stay stay locked down to prevent it, you would

So, how does this apply to those of us who did watch our loved ones die because they were let down and not treated by "our NHS" before covid even existed?

@LucilleTheVampireBat

Sorry you went through that but I dont see the relevance. Just because the NHS has failed you in the past doesnt mean we should sit back and let it get to a point where it fails everybody.

IcedPurple · 09/02/2021 15:38

@ConstanceMoss

No, but I suspect I'm going to be feeling cautious for a while.
Fair enough. But you'll surely understand that others won't share your need for caution once their relatives have been vaccinated?
QueenPaw · 09/02/2021 15:38

@itwaseverthus not just care home residents, shielding people received it

BellaBella36 · 09/02/2021 15:40

@Cloudsurfing I wouldn't bump any groups down the list, just as you wouldn't ask schools to re open fully without protecting your child's teaching staff.

BottegaBish · 09/02/2021 15:41

@GreyTS I'm getting a virtual stoning Shock

Dontforgetyourbrolly · 09/02/2021 15:51

Every time a loved one dies its heartbreaking of course it is . We will always think it was preventable whatever the cause.
Losing someone you love is always unfair and those left behind look for someone or something to blame because that is part of grief.
But you cant keep blaming deaths on people that just want to live their lives .covid is the cause , not people.

itwaseverthus · 09/02/2021 15:54

@QueenPaw that's good, just a pity it's at a dose to prevent rickets set years ago. 400iu won't even touch the sides of a deficiency which, let's face it, most care home residents will have due to being indoors most of the time.

ShowMeTheWayToAmarillo · 09/02/2021 15:56

Yes

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