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Is anyone actually going to follow the rules from spring?

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Cloudsurfing · 08/02/2021 22:01

It will have been a year since being allowed to properly see friends and family. Even in summer last year you still had to social distance so seeing family was difficult, and some areas had tighter restrictions throughout. Everyone I know is going to see family and friends from spring, regardless of what restrictions there are. I am too. The government do know that most people won’t stick to it from then, right?

Is anyone on here actually going to not see family at that point? I know Mumsnet seems to be full of people who are happy to isolate for years if need be, but are you actually going to?

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ILookAtTheFloor · 09/02/2021 08:25

Well we didn't follow the rules before and as I've said on this board often, lots of DH's family caught covid from each other. We had a lucky escape.

So now they've both had covid, and in the case of MIL had the jab (I've also had it) we have kept seeing DH's family.

I'm desperate to see my own family, my sister had covid and my nan has had both jabs, my dad is jabbed only my mum left, they live further away, as soon as the 'stay at home' bollocks is over I'll be seeing them. Can't believe they've lost a year of seeing their grandchildren grow up.

Batshitkerazy · 09/02/2021 08:26

Nope, can’t live like this much longer. Obviously I will be very sensible and only see low risk immediate family, but my mental health is getting crippled currently

Housewife2010 · 09/02/2021 08:26

I'm following the rules because I'm not selfish and I want Covid to be over as soon as possible so my children can go back to school and back to a normal life.

TheKeatingFive · 09/02/2021 08:27

Can't believe they've lost a year of seeing their grandchildren grow up

Yes, same here. It’s awful.

RedToothBrush · 09/02/2021 08:27

My local hospital still has double the number of covid patients it had in April last year. This is being neglected in what people are demanding and saying. This needs to decline before things reopen.

Confusedandshaken · 09/02/2021 08:27

Within my circle of family and good friends we have been lucky enough to get by with very few cases and no serious cases. After a year of loneliness I'm not going to jeopardise that by breaking any guidelines, let alone rules. If I can do it for a year I can hang on another couple,of months.

PracticingPerson · 09/02/2021 08:28

@TheKeatingFive

But scientists have been consistently closer to right than the government, so that gives me a steer.

Scientists are only concerned with virus spread.

Not the economic consequences, mental health of the nation, democratic rights of the people and so on. They all matter.

If we are all brutally honest, if we had not done such a rapid opening in summer 2020, and could have avoided either or both the November 2020 and January 2021 lockdowns, the economy would be in much better shape.

The health vs. economy argument is 100% fiction.

lockeddownandcrazy · 09/02/2021 08:29

I think people will mix in small groups as the weather gets better and plan family holidays - shared cottages etc.

speaksofty · 09/02/2021 08:30

And we have not started the over 50s. And whilst death in under 50s isn't common, long covid is frequent enough to be a real concern

And this is precisely the problem red thank you for highlighting it.

We are now expected to sacrifice everything to avoid the over 50's getting long covid now are we? If that is not a shifting the goal posts I don't know what is. Statistically you are right, their chances of dying are very very small if you are over 50.
Many viruses can cause many months of symptoms, not just covid and yet you expect to keep the whole of society locked down on the off chance that the over 50s will get long covid?

The argument of continuing with the lockdown completely falls apart at that moment.

If you think there will be real life on the ground support for waiting until all nine groups are vaccinated with two doses I think you are mistaken. You talking about May at the earliest. Which will mean we will all have been in a lockdown for nearly SIX months! Some even longer.

I implore you to consider what this will do to our children, the economy and to the wellbeing of the nation.

jellybe · 09/02/2021 08:32

Yes I will be. One of my SIL works for the NHS managing numbers/ beds etc. And she hasn't had a proper day of since last year as things are so bad.

I worry that as a nation we have too much of an 'I'm alright so screw everyone else' attitude.

Yes this sucks (more than sucks) but what else can we do to get out of this mess?

user1487194234 · 09/02/2021 08:34

I think most people have had enough
Once the over 60s have been vaccinated we need to get back to normal.

People who want to can still stay home

poppycat10 · 09/02/2021 08:35

I think people will generally continue to follow the rules.

I actually think there is more of a problem with the people are making up their own rules and depriving themselves and their families of contact for no good reason. For example, the friend of my mum in her late 60s with no underlying conditions, whose daughter hasn't seen her since last March other than to stand at the end of her garden path, wouldn't even sit in her garden with her in the summer. That's ludicrous, especially as they live in an area with low case numbers.

namechangefail2020 · 09/02/2021 08:35

I will follow til I've had my vaccine. Don't want to, am just a little bit more high risk diabetes so too scared not to. Once I've had it I will mix with those who have also had vaccine but that's it.

MorrisZapp · 09/02/2021 08:36

@RedToothBrush

My local hospital still has double the number of covid patients it had in April last year. This is being neglected in what people are demanding and saying. This needs to decline before things reopen.

Yes but the op said spring, not today. All the numbers are going down now, including deaths.

In a month or two we could well be where we were last summer (in Scotland anyway) with week after week of zero Covid deaths. Only this time we'll have a vaccine.

TheKeatingFive · 09/02/2021 08:37

The health vs. economy argument is 100% fiction

Of course it isn’t, don’t be silly. Lockdown is absolutely haemorrhaging money. People clearly don’t have the first clue what this will do to public services (including the beloved nhs) in the medium to long term. It’ll be total carnage. Everyone needs to prepare themselves for basic services being curtailed to an almost unimaginable degree.

And opening up in the summer gave some businesses the shot in the arm to limp on through. Many more would be shut permanently if we hadn’t done so.

And what about the other things I mentioned in my post?

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Cloudsurfing · 09/02/2021 08:37

@PracticingPerson I’m sorry but I’m not locking down all summer on the chance we’ll be in a better position by October. I’ve heard that before, 3 weeks, 3 months, just a few more weeks, it’l be better by Christmas, lockdown now to save Christmas, oh now you can’t even have Christmas. Not prepared to do it anymore.

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RedToothBrush · 09/02/2021 08:37

@TheKeatingFive

Can't believe they've lost a year of seeing their grandchildren grow up

Yes, same here. It’s awful.

Don't get this. Sorry.

I grew up not seeing family often because we lived far apart. My grandparents lived in Germany. My uncle in Canada. We didn't see each other often. When we did it was brilliant. Never felt i missed out and i dont think they felt it either.

Somehow we all managed happy lives. All in the days before the internet too.

Shocking but true.

Back in the past people moved and never saw family again for various reasons. They somehow survived and got over it.

This idea of it being a horrific thing not to see family is ultimately still a luxury. Not 'awful'. Just an unfortunate circumstance. Which has protected those grandparents and those kids from a worse chain of events. But hell lets forget that bit now since its convenient.

speaksofty · 09/02/2021 08:39

The thing I find most worrying and alarming is the comment that comes up over and over agan:

'Yes this sucks (more than sucks) but what else can we do to get out of this mess?'

'I'm following the rules because I'm not selfish and I want Covid to be over as soon as possible so my children can go back to school and back to a normal life'

'I am following the rules because I want this to be over soon'

They seem to have not the faintest awareness that this is not ever going to be over soon. The virus is here to stay, forever. If you follow the rules, don't follow the rules it makes no difference.

It seems to me that many think if I follow the rules I can go back to normal. No it does not work that way. You are being fed a lie.

You are never getting back to complete normality.
Certainly not any time soon, and neither are your children.

I thought most people understood this. It does rather answer why so many are so happy to carry on with the restrictions, the carrot is dangling in front of them that at SOME POINT if they are very good, they will reach the sunny uplands of normality - without understanding that the carrot will keep moving....that the sunny uplands of normality no longer exist in their pre covid form.

dinglethedragon · 09/02/2021 08:39

I will be following them because I'm not a selfish arse.

The only way to get this properly under control, and limit the emergence of new, potentially more deadly, variants, is to keep social distancing in place as long as needed.

The longer it circulates the more mutations will occur. It's what viruses do. What if the next mutation which emerges, because YOU decide you know better than the scientists, is more dangerous to new borns than the elderly?

StealthPolarBear · 09/02/2021 08:39

Some of us choose to live near family so we can prioritise seeing them regularly. Dh and I live near both sets of grandparents so they could be a significant part of their day to day lives.yes other people make different choices and it's fine but it's not what we chose for our family.

speaksofty · 09/02/2021 08:39

*again

TheKeatingFive · 09/02/2021 08:39

Never felt i missed out and i dont think they felt it either.

Super. For you.

It’s not the way my family want to live.

I moved ‘home’ so my children could have a good relationship with their grandparents and I could be close to them towards the end of their lives. I’m not putting that on hold for much longer.

RedToothBrush · 09/02/2021 08:39

Yes but the op said spring, not today. All the numbers are going down now, including deaths

And past April things will ease but we will still need caution not threats of being an utter bellend.

Which seems to be in fashion now.

StealthPolarBear · 09/02/2021 08:40

And it's not really that shocking, and I get its true. But in life we make our own choices based on what we prioritise. Coming along saying we live differently and it's all fine is just assuming everyone is exactly like you.

Dongdingdong · 09/02/2021 08:43

Yes because I'm not a selfish twat and I don't want the risk my life and that of others.

Why would you be risking the lives of others when the vulnerable groups will all have had their first dose of vaccine by then?

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