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Poll on compulsory covid vaccination in 2021-2023

484 replies

lljkk · 06/02/2021 12:41

I don't know what real policy will be, I just wondered about gauging the range of views of readers on this board (chance for lurkers to reply). I will summarise replies if more than 20. Which of the below policies is closest to your own preference, about what the covid vaccination policy should be, for UK adults in 2021-2023?

  1. Optional for everyone, not required by any employer or for customers of a business to show evidence or "reasonable excuse" not to have had it

  2. Not compulsory for all, but health and social care employers can legally require the jab for staff who work with any clinically vulnerable; refusal would be permitted grounds for dismissal if jab not medically contra-indicated

  3. Not compulsory for all, but any employers allowed to require the jab for staff (refusal would be permitted grounds for dismissal); businesses allowed to require jab among customers, thus no jab = legally refuse service

  4. Compulsory for all adults without medical contra-indications

OP posts:
ilovesooty · 06/02/2021 18:51

When I'm vaccinated I'd be quite happy to provide proof to anyone but I can't see it being requested in most shops and restaurants.

Namenic · 06/02/2021 18:56

Granny curls - hep b and hep a and hep c are quite different viruses in terms of the types of illness they cause and how they are transmitted. I think the thing they have in common is that they affect the liver.

With hep a, I think it is generally food poisoning related. It is acute - but a small proportion of people get v badly affected. But once it is over, you don’t have chronic infection. Hep a has a vaccine.

With hep b and c there is chronic infection where the person can be a carrier and pass it onto other people. Hep b only became a routine vaccine for babies 1-2 years ago in U.K.. But I paid privately for it for my kids as I have relatives in an area of high prevalence.there is no hep c vaccine.

Healthcare workers have high risk of contact with covid positive patients and the risk of spreading it to multiple patients - so I think that would need to be factored in.

ConcernedAuntie · 06/02/2021 19:24

Just out of interest, would those of you voting 1 be prepared to consent to a vulnerable loved one who is unable to be vaccinated being treated by an unvaccinated (by choice) hcp? Would you be happy to have them seated next to a coughing passenger on a holiday flight, not knowing if that person has been vaccinated.

Or should vulnerable people just be stuck at home for the rest of their lives?

Moneyfornothingkerbsforfree · 06/02/2021 19:29

Just out of interest, would those of you voting 1 be prepared to consent to a vulnerable loved one who is unable to be vaccinated being treated by an unvaccinated (by choice) hcp? Would you be happy to have them seated next to a coughing passenger on a holiday flight, not knowing if that person has been vaccinated.

Or should vulnerable people just be stuck at home for the rest of their lives?

Did you presume those of us who voted for one are too thick to work out what the World would be like?

Do we need someone of your superior knowledge to enlighten us 🙄

Piles of responses come back in saying “shit, never thought of that, change me to a 4 immediately” 😂

PurpleDaisies · 06/02/2021 19:31

Would you be happy to have them seated next to a coughing passenger on a holiday flight, not knowing if that person has been vaccinated.

Not everyone is able to be vaccinated. You couldn’t know for sure.

Iliketeaagain · 06/02/2021 19:34

@ConcernedAuntie

Just out of interest, would those of you voting 1 be prepared to consent to a vulnerable loved one who is unable to be vaccinated being treated by an unvaccinated (by choice) hcp? Would you be happy to have them seated next to a coughing passenger on a holiday flight, not knowing if that person has been vaccinated.

Or should vulnerable people just be stuck at home for the rest of their lives?

HCPs medical status is just as confidential as anyone else's, so how exactly are you going to know what their vaccination status is in order to refuse care from an unvaccinated worker? Is it both compulsory and some sort of branding so you know who's vaccinated that you have in mind?

I honestly think if the government said that it was compulsory for HCPs you'd have an even bigger vacancy rate in health and social care that there is now. Because where do you stop that slippery slope?

2X4B523P · 06/02/2021 19:36

@WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants

Technically I would still have a choice with options 2 and 3, the choice between the vaccine and being unemployed.

kowari · 06/02/2021 19:40

1, or maybe 2 for roles that already require proof of other vaccinations.

Moneyfornothingkerbsforfree · 06/02/2021 19:40

And also, if I sit next to a coughing passenger in a cpl of years time why would I only worried they’re give me covid?
What about if they didn’t wash there hands too after a wee and according to the other thread running atm that would leave me in mortal danger of dropping dead from hepatitis or E. coli 🙄
So i think before you get on that plane you need to make sure you are all power washed with antibacterial gel. Then make sure you’ve had your flu jab and better get some more jabs for every other viral disease too. Don’t forget to take a strong dose of antibiotics before you leave either, in case you spread any bad microbes.

Devlesko · 06/02/2021 19:43
Meredithgrey1 · 06/02/2021 19:53
I’m very pro-vaccine, will have the covid vaccine as soon as I’m offered it and volunteered for the trials. But I do not believe in mandatory vaccination.
dementedma · 06/02/2021 19:55

2

Rollingfog · 06/02/2021 19:56

2, but I think as vaccin uptake looks high I don’t think it will be an issue

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/02/2021 19:56

Medical information is private unless you choose to disclose it - are people really ok with showing any Tom dick or Harry in a shop/restaurant/cinema etc their medical info to prove vaccination?

TBF I doubt that a "vaccine certificate" would include any sensitive info, but I agree about the potential for fakes and the unlikelihood of some even bothering to read them

About the "choice" issue though, with the exception of 4 none say that choice would be removed from anyone ... all that's being suggested is that choices involve consequences

SpringerJS · 06/02/2021 19:57

1

fiveoldteddies · 06/02/2021 19:59

1 maybe 2 in some HCP, similar to hep B

inquietant · 06/02/2021 20:22

1 or 2.

PhilCornwall1 · 06/02/2021 20:22

TBF I doubt that a "vaccine certificate" would include any sensitive info,

I'd go with this. I've had my first dose today (still only have 1 head and the normal amount of fingers and toes Grin) and have a card to show what's been done and nothing else about my medical history.

If there was to be some kind of "passport" it would need to be far better, as what I have could be copied in no time, but that's not the idea of what I've been given at the moment.

dreamerdreamer · 06/02/2021 20:26

As tempting as 4 is, I have to say 1.

Flyonawalk · 06/02/2021 20:27

1

SavannahMiasMum · 06/02/2021 20:40

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Medical information is private unless you choose to disclose it - are people really ok with showing any Tom dick or Harry in a shop/restaurant/cinema etc their medical info to prove vaccination?

TBF I doubt that a "vaccine certificate" would include any sensitive info, but I agree about the potential for fakes and the unlikelihood of some even bothering to read them

About the "choice" issue though, with the exception of 4 none say that choice would be removed from anyone ... all that's being suggested is that choices involve consequences

There are already fake Covid test certificates online so next will be vaccine ones
PrawnPower · 06/02/2021 20:52

@Moneyfornothingkerbsforfree

Just out of interest, would those of you voting 1 be prepared to consent to a vulnerable loved one who is unable to be vaccinated being treated by an unvaccinated (by choice) hcp? Would you be happy to have them seated next to a coughing passenger on a holiday flight, not knowing if that person has been vaccinated.

Or should vulnerable people just be stuck at home for the rest of their lives?

Did you presume those of us who voted for one are too thick to work out what the World would be like?

Do we need someone of your superior knowledge to enlighten us 🙄

Piles of responses come back in saying “shit, never thought of that, change me to a 4 immediately” 😂

You think a lot of your own opinion to sway others. No this doesn't change my mind. I'm a libertarian and no one should be forced to put something in their body if they don't want to. The majority will vaccinate as with other vaccinations. And those who don't are at liberty to make that decision for themselves. There are many risks in life. Some people have been consumed by COVID fear. It's sad for them. Maybe when lockdown is lifted they will be in for a nasty shock as they all remember just how risky everyday life is.

10milewalk · 06/02/2021 20:54

Number 1 of course anything else means we are no longer living in a free county. Anything going in your body should always be a choice.

tigger1001 · 06/02/2021 20:55

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Medical information is private unless you choose to disclose it - are people really ok with showing any Tom dick or Harry in a shop/restaurant/cinema etc their medical info to prove vaccination?

TBF I doubt that a "vaccine certificate" would include any sensitive info, but I agree about the potential for fakes and the unlikelihood of some even bothering to read them

About the "choice" issue though, with the exception of 4 none say that choice would be removed from anyone ... all that's being suggested is that choices involve consequences

Saying you had a vaccine though is sensitive medical information. Many are happy to share that, but that is a choice. Currently no one is under any obligation to share that info with anyone else. How would it be handled (gdpr)? Anything medical, whether it's relating to illness or a medical procedure is private and we have to give permission for others to access that. It seems a slippery slope to say well Vaccine info isn't personal. We have the right to that privacy. Imagine having to say well I haven't had the vaccine because of (insert medical issue here) and being told to prove it. How is that not personal information?

Saying if you don't have the vaccine then employers can chose to dismiss you or businesses (unlikely that would ever happen) could refuse you entry, is a way of making vaccine compulsory in all but name.

tigger1001 · 06/02/2021 20:58

@PhilCornwall1

TBF I doubt that a "vaccine certificate" would include any sensitive info,

I'd go with this. I've had my first dose today (still only have 1 head and the normal amount of fingers and toes Grin) and have a card to show what's been done and nothing else about my medical history.

If there was to be some kind of "passport" it would need to be far better, as what I have could be copied in no time, but that's not the idea of what I've been given at the moment.

Does it say you had the vaccine? The date and time? The batch number? And your name? Maybe date of birth? the answer to any of these is yes, then it contains medical information. It's maybe info you are happy to share, but it's still information about you. And it is entirely up to you whether you are happy to share that or not.