Poll on compulsory covid vaccination in 2021-2023

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I don't know what real policy will be, I just wondered about gauging the range of views of readers on this board (chance for lurkers to reply). I will summarise replies if more than 20. Which of the below policies is closest to your own preference, about what the covid vaccination policy should be, for UK adults in 2021-2023?

1. Optional for everyone, not required by any employer or for customers of a business to show evidence or "reasonable excuse" not to have had it

2. Not compulsory for all, but health and social care employers can legally require the jab for staff who work with any clinically vulnerable; refusal would be permitted grounds for dismissal if jab not medically contra-indicated

3. Not compulsory for all, but any employers allowed to require the jab for staff (refusal would be permitted grounds for dismissal); businesses allowed to require jab among customers, thus no jab = legally refuse service

4. Compulsory for all adults without medical contra-indications

@2X4B523P

Absolutely number 1. I received my first dose on Monday, but I had the choice if I wanted it or not.

As you would have with options 2&3

@mrsm43s

3.

Yes to body autonomy, you have the right to not have the vaccination. But others have the right to not have their lives endangered by your choices. So the consequence to your choice not to vaccinate us that you won't be able to do certain things, because doing so would endanger others. Medical exemptions excepted, obviously. Perfectly reasonable.

Totally agree with this.

Vaccine refusers could condemn those unable to be vaccinated to never beinng able to fly on holiday, for example, let alone medical treament/care.

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But others have the right to not have their lives endangered by your choices
I assume all those that agree with this, have never left their homes whilst suffering from a cold in that case? A cold can be a very bad thing to the immunocompromised. Same with the flu, got to protect those with lung and breathing disorders.
I'm heartened how so many people care for others.

2 or a more nuanced version of 3. I believe 2 is the situation for hepatitis B vaccination for some hospital staff currently, though I don’t know the exact details.

I worked in a hopsital (in another country, not UK!) and was advised to get the hep B vaccination. I already had hepatitis A due to having had the disease a few decades earlier. I agreed to get the B vaccine but it didn't take; I was offered to retake it but I decided not to.

^^ meant to say, I had hepatitis A immunity.

I dont think there will ever be compulsory vaccination

3

I can see it being required if you want to fly anywhere or have any semblance of a normal life

1. (Running away.)

Wrong thread! Sorry.

the gvt just needs enough immunity to stop transmission within the herd after that they will get back on with the important business of herding us around to suit their general agenda of making the rich richer

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@LadyPoison

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I can see it being required if you want to fly anywhere or have any semblance of a normal life

I'd be quite happy to see it being mandatory for international travel once everyone has had the opportunity to be vaccinated, unless vaccination is medically contraindicated. In any case the country of destination is quite entitled to insist on vaccination as a condition of entry. If you refuse vaccination I imagine restrictions might apply to you and I don't see why they shouldn't.

Forgot to vote earlier: 2.

Of course bodily autonomy is important but so is responsibility towards others in society. 2 or 3 don't deny autonomy they just limit job etc choices.

Very interesting thread OP!

3

My opinion is that you don't have to live by the rules of society but then you don't get the benefits of society either.
I grew up in America where vaccinations are mandatory if you want to attend school and university. I have no problems with that at all and would support that being the case in the UK as well ( obv with medical exceptions). That's how we keep herd immunity and babies and vulnerable people safe.

I will be there like a shot when it's my turn to be vaccinated, but I strongly believe it is a choice and people should give informed consent, not well I better get this as my boss insists on it consent.

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Those voting 3 are really voting 4, but they're pretending that they're giving people a choice, so they don't have to feel guilty about forcing people to giving up their bodily autonomy to the state.

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3

the country of destination is quite entitled to insist on vaccination as a condition of entry
and they will...unless so doing results in a loss of revenue
thats the bottom line imo

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@MaxNormal

There are people who cannot have it. Those refusing would be endangering them.

I can't have it and I'd be utterly horrified at anyone being forced on my behalf. Its not their problem and my issues should not compel them to have an unwanted medical intervention.

Agree @MaxNormal

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How would 3 work in real life anyway? Medical information is private unless you choose to disclose it - are people really ok with showing any Tom dick or Harry in a shop/restaurant/cinema etc their medical info to prove vaccination? Do we think that the low paid staff in these places will scrutinise info to allow entry? Would it not just give rise to a lucrative counterfeit operation to provide people with false paperwork?

Bear in mind that, currently, although scientists are confident that vaccines will mean lower transmission that's not currently proven. It could be that vaccines stop people getting seriously ill rather than preventing transmission.