Poll on compulsory covid vaccination in 2021-2023

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I don't know what real policy will be, I just wondered about gauging the range of views of readers on this board (chance for lurkers to reply). I will summarise replies if more than 20. Which of the below policies is closest to your own preference, about what the covid vaccination policy should be, for UK adults in 2021-2023?

1. Optional for everyone, not required by any employer or for customers of a business to show evidence or "reasonable excuse" not to have had it

2. Not compulsory for all, but health and social care employers can legally require the jab for staff who work with any clinically vulnerable; refusal would be permitted grounds for dismissal if jab not medically contra-indicated

3. Not compulsory for all, but any employers allowed to require the jab for staff (refusal would be permitted grounds for dismissal); businesses allowed to require jab among customers, thus no jab = legally refuse service

4. Compulsory for all adults without medical contra-indications

@TheKeatingFive

No more than a child who can’t have the vaccine does or a person who isn’t immune despite having had the vaccine. The unvaccinated person could come into contact with any of them. It’s their choice whether they want to take that risk or not. Immunocompromised people have always had to take that risk knowing that they could come in contact with someone that could make them very ill.

TheKeatingFive

You are so desperate for everyone to concede and say you are right, it’s painful.

It doesn’t matter how many so called facts you throw at people, if that doesn’t resonate with a persons over all view then it’s matter less.

Clearly you are very scared and upset over Covid and you feel in everyone just thought and did as you do everything would be OK.

Every person is different. Our goals for how life should un-fold are different. Why can’t you get your head around that fact? Most of the people choosing one are looking at the long term outcomes. You seem to be absolutely frozen in this little bubble of time we are in now!? There are a gazillion other things to think about. Covid is not all that exists.

The unvaccinated person could come into contact with any of them.

Of course, but there is no mechanism to vaccinate those people, so nothing that could be done differently to protect those that can’t be vaxxed and are therefore vulnerable.

I agree it is an individuals choice to be vaccinated or not. Those choosing not to be vaccinated need to be aware of the (significant) consequences to others of making that choice.

money I’m laughing, because I’ve never seen an anti vaxxer more rattled than you on here.

You said on another thread that you didn’t believe in asymptomatic spread, so I’m not sure what’s the point in engaging with someone who won’t take on board medical and scientific expertise. 🤷‍♀️

How do you know I’m an anti vaxxer? I’ve said nothing of the sort on any thread. I said some of our residents parents were. I’ve said I will refuse the covid jab. But every time you say that people try and bombard you will things that have been written in the papers 🙄
I don’t know why you presume we don’t read the papers too?

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Agree with Grannycurls and BumbleyMummy

But I have no idea how you think we can go forward in a World where feeling OK is no longer a good enough explanation for not being ill and potentially killing a load of other people.
There are other diseases that are apparently spread asymptotically. It’s human nature. Every single surface is teaming with potential viruses, bacteria and pathogens.

I’ve said I will refuse the covid jab.

Why, if you aren’t an anti vaxxer?

And I never said you didn’t read the papers. You seem to think you know better than established scientists though. Id be interested in your qualifications on that score.

No one has to have a jab. No one has to take a certain job.

But I think in near time terms - as with holidaying in specific destinations - it should be a requirement for working with vulnerable and visiting crowded places.

If people don't want the vaccine that's their choice - they don't need to visit a theatre or cinemas either.

Sorry should have clarified travelling to certain destinations requires specific jabs - eg yellow fever.

Therefore I don't see this as any different. Choice is go and have jab or don't have it and don't go.

There you go again with “the scientists”.
Many scientists have different opinions, that’s the nature of science. I’ve been over that with you before so not doing it again.

Why are you so obsessed with covid? Why have you never been afraid of the other pathogens, bacteria and viruses that could kill you? Did it take the BBC news to alert you that it’s a dangerous Workd out there?

Many scientists have different opinions, that’s the nature of science. I’ve been over that with you before so not doing it again.

No you haven’t

And no, I think you find they don’t have different opinions on the fact that Covid spreads asymptomatically.

Why are you so obsessed with covid? Why have you never been afraid of the other pathogens, bacteria and viruses that could kill you?

Why are you putting words in my mouth? If you take a proper look at my posting history you’ll see that I’m not particularly concerned about Covid compared to many. I totally agree there are lots of other things out there that can kill you.

As a youngish, healthy person I’m at very little risk. But that isn’t true of the care home residents you work with.

The reason I will not take the covid jab is because it had no long term studies. The news and the scientists and even you can sit and tel me “it’s been through exactly the same process” and to that I just laugh. The “process” is of no interest to me. What I want to know, is what might this jab do to be in 6 months time, 1 years time, 5 years time.
I have a right not to inject myself with something that has zero proof to show it is safe long term.
Especially with the pfeizer which is not even similar to anything we have done on humans before (we won’t even mention the previous animal trials - ~I do not want to end up like those ferrets ~😏)

Anyway, we are hijacking this thread, which I was quite enjoying so that’s enough for today

I have a right not to inject myself with something that has zero proof to show it is safe long term.

Of course you do.

But employers might decide that they have the right to refuse you a job because of it. Businesses the right to refuse you access. Countries the right to close their borders to you.

That might sound harsh to you, but in the desire to prevent future lockdowns you might find strong measures being taken.

@Moneyfornothingkerbsforfree

There you go again with “the scientists”. Many scientists have different opinions, that’s the nature of science. I’ve been over that with you before so not doing it again.

Why are you so obsessed with covid? Why have you never been afraid of the other pathogens, bacteria and viruses that could kill you? Did it take the BBC news to alert you that it’s a dangerous Workd out there?

Well said. Those that have a one track mind never listen there like a broken record that keep repeating themselves because they like the sound of their own voices. They presume all those that don’t choose to have a vaccine are anti vaccine yet in fact many just don’t want to fill there bodies with poison unnecessarily. I won’t be having any vaccine. We had Covid and I was pretty sick for 3 months and still have some symptoms however I in theory should be more immune than any vaccine will do though it’s not my reason to choose not to have it. Simply I don’t add any chemicals into my body unnecessarily.

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My solution to those who cannot be vaccinated: Put yourself on a high dose of Vitamin D (4000iu and more). That should protect you enough, both from contracting the disease as well as, if you DO contract it, it having serious effects on your health, and most especially, of you dying from it. Seriously.

I've written more at length on this on the BAME thread and don't want to hijack this one even more.

I suspect it will be 1.
Though 2 May well be considered.

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1 @BogRollBOGOF explains it well.

Personally, I'm very excited to get my jab when it is offered, but making it compulsory both contravenes people's rights and will make antivaxxers more resolute.

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I've done a couple of international Jobs where travel to less developed countries has been part of the role. The company paid for health insurance, and that insurance required certain innoculations in order to provide cover. I don't see why Covid should be any different.

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