Poll on compulsory covid vaccination in 2021-2023

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I don't know what real policy will be, I just wondered about gauging the range of views of readers on this board (chance for lurkers to reply). I will summarise replies if more than 20. Which of the below policies is closest to your own preference, about what the covid vaccination policy should be, for UK adults in 2021-2023?

1. Optional for everyone, not required by any employer or for customers of a business to show evidence or "reasonable excuse" not to have had it

2. Not compulsory for all, but health and social care employers can legally require the jab for staff who work with any clinically vulnerable; refusal would be permitted grounds for dismissal if jab not medically contra-indicated

3. Not compulsory for all, but any employers allowed to require the jab for staff (refusal would be permitted grounds for dismissal); businesses allowed to require jab among customers, thus no jab = legally refuse service

4. Compulsory for all adults without medical contra-indications

@Moneyfornothingkerbsforfree - many people voting 1 are prob not anti-vax, but anti-compulsion.

if the government said that it was compulsory for HCPs you'd have an even bigger vacancy rate in health and social care
beggars can't be choosers
this is very demanding work with rubbish pay
if you start making people jump through hoops before they can even be employed in these roles no one will want to do this work

In reference to becoming “socially unacceptable"
This thread seems to show it won’t

That's what I find interesting though - you see some threads where almost every vaccine refuser's damned as a selfish b*stard, and then it swings through 180 degrees on another

Tigger1001 you're also quite right that some will object to any medical info being shared, and FWIW I get their point as I also regard it as private. I probably wouldn't bother too much about this particular thing, but as ever each to their own

That's what I find interesting though - you see some threads where almost every vaccine refuser's damned as a selfish bstard, and then it swings through 180 degrees on another*

You’re mixing up someone’s right to say no and whether it’s right for them to make that decision.

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3 or 4 although obviously with exceptions for people who cannot have it on medical grounds.

Truly I'm not, PurpleDaisies - I really do get that completely, which is why it's interesting to see so little nuance with some threads/comments

There's so often no "maybe", "perhaps" or "have you considered that ..." and it just seems a shame

I can't understand someone lying to make life easier. If you feel strongly about refusing a vaccine I don't see you wouldn't own it. I can understand not wanting to discuss it but I simply cannot understand lying.

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@Notthemessiah

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Those voting 3 are really voting 4, but they're pretending that they're giving people a choice, so they don't have to feel guilty about forcing people to giving up their bodily autonomy to the state.

No I'm not & don't tell me what I'm doing!

I would not support mandatory vaccination. I would not support losing bodily autonomy.

But I do support the right of others to say, a requirement of working in my care home or travelling on my plane is that you have been vaccinated.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

You're entitled to have your own opinion, but you're not entitled to tell me what mine is

@ilovesooty

I can't understand someone lying to make life easier. If you feel strongly about refusing a vaccine I don't see you wouldn't own it. I can understand not wanting to discuss it but I simply cannot understand lying.

Have you got enough polish to get you through the rest of the weekend for your halo?

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Nothing to do with halos. It's just a mindset I find very strange.

@ilovesooty

Nothing to do with halos. It's just a mindset I find very strange.

So you're telling me that you've never lied or withheld the truth about something you believe in? Not ever?

@Notthemessiah

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Those voting 3 are really voting 4, but they're pretending that they're giving people a choice, so they don't have to feel guilty about forcing people to giving up their bodily autonomy to the state.

2&3 would be a chouce.

Choices have consequences, that's how life works.

Even 1 is a choice, your choice to put others at risk.

I said I could understand someone not wanting to discuss it, which I'd classify as withholding the truth I suppose. I'd have to think about whether I might ever have done that. I certainly can't ever recall telling an outright lie about something I really believed in or felt strongly about.

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Of course it’s different. If people don’t get this vaccine we won’t be able to go about our normal lives. That’s not true of any other vaccine.

Well no but it’s not true of this one either. We don’t need 100% compliance to get normality back. I have faith that the vast majority will get it of their own volition (once offered) because it’s so obviously the right thing to do.

However bodily autonomy and free will is still a principle worth fighting for.

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But I will be vaccinated, so will my family and most people I know.
I am not keen on anti-vaxers but I believe they have a right to hold their own views, even if I don’t agree with them.

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