Forcing vaccination

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Just read this on the Beeb

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-55718553

Personally, I think it's outrageous that employees may insist on vaccination and airlines preventing travel.

A communistic approach!

Well, presumably if you believe in God then you will also believe that God gave the gift of intelligence to the scientists who developed these vaccines in order that this pandemic should be able to end?

Or don’t you believe that it has anything to do with God? In which case, what is the point of believing in a God at all?

I’ve come across loads of people who say they had flu for a day. I’ve had it once properly and that’s enough for me. quite. Anyone who claims that didn’t have the flu. They had a heavy cold.

At least you are being honest about your selfishness I guess.

I fully intend to have the vaccine. I think it sounds safe and effective. My concern is for those who don’t.

I fully intend to have the vaccine. I think it sounds safe and effective. My concern is for those who don’t.

Why are you concerned for those who are that selfish? They want the benefits of society reopening but they refuse to do the bare minimum to contribute to that happening. What if we all refuse? Would you be concerned then?

One of the requirements for medical treatment is that the recipient gives informed consent.

Unfortunately a lot of people on this thread haven't even informed themselves while wanting to forbid the rest of us from having access to information and remove our right to consent or not.

I work in the NHS. Been there 26 years. Was forced to have a hep c vaccine even as a student.

No issue with it.

I believe in God yes, in Gods authority and in non coercion of inherently free individuals. If you have to coerce your idea sucks, if you cant cope with difference you are inherently controlling.

Ooft! You're in for a rough ride when you learn about the history of literally any religion.

At least you are being honest about your selfishness I guess.

Indeed. Wanna be honest about yours?

@DuaneAgain

Wasn't that measles?

Why are you concerned for those who are that selfish? They want the benefits of society reopening but they refuse to do the bare minimum to contribute to that happening. What if we all refuse? Would you be concerned then? tbh I’m not remotely concerned for anyone who chooses to not have the vaccine. I don’t even care if they catch COVID and die. Natural selection innit?

But I am concerned for the people they put at risk who cannot have the vaccine for legitimate reasons.

Because one day that “selfish” person might be my daughter wanting rights over her own body. And idiots like you

Hyperbole at its finest. You can legislate on one thing without it affecting another. I'm not an idiot either, far from it.

I want my daughters protected from those genuine idiots who get their science education from YouTube.

But I am concerned for the people they put at risk who cannot have the vaccine for legitimate reasons.

In countries where there is mandatory vaccination individuals who are medically exempt are protected by law.

Everyone should have a choice and they should not have restrictions put in place if they don’t have it

I am concerned about Human rights and the slow walk into 1984 type scenarios. We are already encouraged to report friends and family.

Hyperbole at its finest. You can legislate on one thing without it affecting another. I'm not an idiot either, far from it.

And sometimes these things do affect other things. The principle of autonomy in healthcare is paramount for me. I don’t want my daughter ever coerced to take medicines she doesn’t want, so I will argue against it.

In countries where there is mandatory vaccination individuals who are medically exempt are protected by law. no I meant the risk to those who cannot have the vaccine for legitimate reasons when people who have chosen not to have it because of some kind of conspiracy junk catch the virus and pass it to them thus putting them at risk. Iyswim?

@GreenWillow

"Perhaps, but a scientist as eminent as you doesn’t need me to point out, this is nowhere near good enough."

Not good enough? Actually I don't think its good enough at all that people seem to be using "Well we don't know FOR SURE it will help prevent transmission" as a reason not to vaccinate. Why should others need to take the increased risk of being exposed to covid because someone doesn't want to vaccinate for no good reason? Or because they don't think their lives should be inconvenienced for not vaccinating for no good reason?

You don't need to be an eminent scientist to have this view. I am fairly sure all of my undergrads with a basic grasp of infection control have come to the same conclusion.

tbh I’m not remotely concerned for anyone who chooses to not have the vaccine. I don’t even care if they catch COVID and die. Natural selection innit?

What if that was someone you love? Your child? Please think more carefully about this position, it’s deeply sinister.

I am concerned about Human rights and the slow walk into 1984 type scenarios

Over 100,000 people dead and people are still wanking on about their "rights" and fictional scenarios.
Yeah, you campaign for your right to be a Typhoid Mary, have fun.

Everyone should have a choice and they should not have restrictions put in place if they don’t have it A private business has the right to refuse anyone for any reason other than e.g. protected characteristics.

Plenty of bars/restaurants/other venues have dress codes for instance. If you choose not to adhere to that dress code, then you don’t come in. It’s as simple as that.

This is no different. If you choose not to be vaccinated against COVID, then you don’t come in. So you have a choice. You either get a COVID vaccination, or you don’t go to ticketmaster events or fly abroad.

And if other countries ban non vaccinated people then the airlines here should do the same in order to be held responsible for bringing those people home when they’re refused entry.

Over 100,000 people dead and people are still wanking on about their "rights"

Every single person in the history of the world has either died or is going to die. It’s very sad. It is not a reason not to recognise the rights of the living.

What if that was someone you love? Your child? Please think more carefully about this position, it’s deeply sinister. if my child had turned out an antivaxxing conspiracy theorist I would feel I’d failed as a parent.

if my child had turned out an antivaxxing conspiracy theorist I would feel I’d failed as a parent.

And if you fail as a parent, it’s okay for your child to die? You don’t care? I don’t believe that.

Every single person in the history of the world has either died or is going to die. It’s very sad. It is not a reason not to recognise the rights of the living.

Every single person in the history of the world has either died or is going to die. That’s not a reason for introducing seatbelt laws, or speed limits on the roads, or drink driving laws....