“No onesies please as it makes the children in school jealous”

[Lemons1571]

A message from the head of our primary. Please could all parents at home please ensure their primary children are fully dressed in day clothes ready for their class 9am zoom. No onesies. Apparently the children actually allowed to go to school are annoyed seeing their classmates lounging at home in onesies / pj’s / loungewear.

Ummm, I’m sorry, I thought I heard you issuing instructions on what I must / must not do in my own house. What possible authority does a school have to do this? Kids forced out of face to face education. Being shown some lovely examples of the artwork done by the kids at school over zoom with the caveat “oh don’t worry I know you can’t do this at home”.

Read the room ffs. Just another request to put other people’s children before my own. As it happens my primary child gets dressed of his own accord, but if he wanted to wear a onesie then quite frankly anyone else’s opinion can fuck off.

Physically going to school = uniform worn as per school rules.
Physically barred from school = my house my rules.

No doubt I’m overreacting but it annoyed me!

YABU. Thinking back to my childhood I would be insanely jealous of those who could stay at home, and if they were wearing onsies/pjs I'm sure I would have complained bitterly. How difficult is it for the DCs to get dressed, they are going to have to do it once they are back at school, they might as well do it now.

it's good practice to be dressed by registration anyway ready to start the day.

Yabu

Physically going to school = uniform worn as per school rules.
Physically barred from school = my house my rules.

Completely agree. It's different for our eldest, as he's 18 and in college, so wears what he wants and we certainly wouldn't be telling him what to wear (he'd probably tell us to bugger off if we did, he's an adult).

The youngest at 14 wears what he wants. For the morning Tutor call he'll more than likely have a T-shirt or hoodie on, bottom half could be anything. We aren't telling him what to wear.

Same for me working from hone (have done for years). I wear whatever I want to wear. If it's a client call, I'll tone down the T-shirt, but internal calls, it could be a loud one.

Both myself and my partner are key workers so both kids are in school reception and yr4. I totally get why some are angry with the situation as it isn’t fair and my kids are at an advantage being at school definitely. My reception child has had lots of 1:1 so has mastered writing his name etc when he was struggling before, does art, music, pe and has access to all toys and equipment as well as the social side. My year 4 the same though she moans she would rather be at home like some of her friends,I remind her she’s very lucky to be at school. I do find it bad taste for the school to stick pictures on Twitter of what projects the kids are working on.

If it makes a child happier to be in a onesie then let them it’s such a shit situation as it is.

I just can’t believe that schools are actually publishing in-school projects at the moment!

‘Look at the fun a few of you have had today! Look at what a few of you have made today!’

Other children will see this as a club that only a few children can join.

What I don’t understand is this...
If the class teacher is doing live lessons to everyone at home (over teams/zoom) - which is, btw, what they should be doing - Are the children in school not following the same curriculum?

Obviously I’m asking about primary here as every secondary I know, the children in and out of school are doing the same thing. All on computers.

I think it’s a bit sloppy lounging around in a onesie as it’s not conducive to learning and working I think. Getting washed and dressed gets us all prepared to start the day. They have to weekend to relax and chill in their onesie.

Makes absolutely no difference what either I or DD wear. We both work hard, all day. We do get dressed and showered but onesie/Oodie absolutely fine if preferred .

What I don’t understand is this...
If the class teacher is doing live lessons to everyone at home (over teams/zoom) - which is, btw, what they should be doing - Are the children in school not following the same curriculum?

At our school the kids in the building watch the same zoom lesson and then do exactly the same work as the kids at home. They're just supervised by a teacher. There are obvious benefits for them in that they have an actual teacher there to ask questions and keep them on track but the work is identical. My kids attend school part time as I work out of the house as a keyworker part time.

Ignore the silly request and crack on.

Thankfully our primary school don’t do zoom otherwise DS would miss half the classwork. He generally gets up about 10.30am.

They’re stuck at home having to do school work at home. The school definitely doesn’t get to dictate the dress code in YOUR OWN HOME!

KW kids in Primary and KW kids in Secondary will have vastly different experiences.

The secondary kids will generally be online with just supervision doing the same work as kids at home.

In Primary they are more likely to be having proper lessons so the difference between home and school in Primary can be far greater.

I don’t mention anything about what we’ve done at school to the children at home, and I don’t mention anything about what the children at home are doing to the ones at school.
Both groups of children probably feel like they’re missing out on something, and they’re right. I have children in school who really hate it and are angry and want to be able to spend the time at home. I also have children in who are upset and worried because their parents are working on covid wards or other high risk settings.
But then I have children at home who are so lonely, bored and unhappy and desperately want to be in school with friends. I can’t wait for us all to be safely back in, frankly.

Lemons: Apparently the children actually allowed to go to school are annoyed seeing their classmates lounging at home in onesies / pj’s / loungewear.
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I don't believe that for a minute. Maybe one child said something humorously and others picked up on it but no more than that.

YABU. It's the teachers zoom meeting, so it's the teachers decision. If you don't like it, refrain from using zoom and homeschool your own kid. That way you can wear whatever you want! God the entitlement of some people, my bloods boiling

At our school the kids in the building watch the same zoom lesson and then do exactly the same work as the kids at home. They're just supervised by a teacher. There are obvious benefits for them in that they have an actual teacher there to ask questions and keep them on track but the work is identical. My kids attend school part time as I work out of the house as a keyworker part time

Same! This is how it should be.
Any school delivering a different curriculum in school to the one the children are getting at home are not doing what they should be doing.

LolaSmiles
Why? Because I find it laughable that despite research evidence saying that live vs not live is not the main factor in effective remote learning, Mumsnet is full of posters lamenting that their child is going to have their life chances ruined if they don't have video lessons at an arbitrary frequency thay suits the parents' opinion?

if you had read my posts, you would have seen that the live lesson as good for their mental health

pretty sure I already wrote that no-one actually gives a monkey if they learn about division or the infamous fronted adverbials on a live class. Again, and again, that's is not the point!

I did also say that live lesson are a bonus as they give me peace and quiet, so what.

And btw, my kids would qualify, the list is so long. I am not playing the system that way because I am not a twat, but I won't let my kids be penalised for it.

You are very dismissive of the well being of children at home, why is that? You are very dismissive of children you call "privileged", so you decide who matters and who doesn't now?

but your points are interesting, and the reason why parents must keep pushing schools who abandoned the kids, must keep contacting OFSTED and must not let people like you decide that their kids don't matter because they are "privileged" and you sorely lack training on many points.

Schools should really learn to pick their battles in this environment. The kid is there. They have clothes on. Why sweat the small stuff?

At the end of the day, they can request no onesies, but there is sod all they can do if you ignore it. Carry on as you are.

Any school delivering a different curriculum in school to the one the children are getting at home are not doing what they should be doing.

It shouldn't be just about the dry curriculum.

When a school send some worksheets at home, but have a teacher doing a proper lesson about the same subject for the ones in class, they are not received in the same way by a child.

I know a lone poster is guffawing about live lessons, but that poster is just ridiculous for her own private reasons.

If level of education is the same, why do we bother with teachers at all for a start? We could just have holiday clubs at school, and supervised homework there? No one genuinely believes that

And it's also more than important to help children not feeling too isolated.

The vulnerable kids that are in in my DDs school due to their SEN are still receiving their interventions and for those necessary a differentiated curriculum. Can look like they are being given an advantage but when some are already 2-3 years it makes sense.

All the actual work is the same for the rest but obviously there need to be fillers for the kids in school

The schools need to choose their battles. Monitoring and trying to dictate what the kids wear at home should not be one of them. At school, yes, but not at home.

As long as they are not wearing a onesie with 'Fuck this' or 'Boris is a twat' or 'What a shit show this is' or 'Different Day, Same Shit' or 'My mum is doing the bloody best she can!!!!' then they can wear what they want.

I don't think its that big a deal really. Both my dc know on weekdays they have to get up and dressed, have breakfast and clean their teeth ready for their teams lesson as 9.30. I think it gets them into the right mind set for their school work. I could see it could end up being a nightmare trying to get them dressed and out of the house on time when they have to go back to school if they sat around in their pyjamas all day for the last few months. I wouldn't attend a zoom or teams meeting in my pyjamas.

If it bothers you that much you can turn the camera off or not let your children on the lesson.

I know a lone poster is guffawing about live lessons, but that poster is just ridiculous for her own private reasons
Subtle. FWIW I'm not guffawing about live lessons.I'm laughing at the obsession that some poster on here have about live lessons and the way they act like life chances are ruined by not having live lessons.

I teach some live lessons. They are part of my school's provision, alongside other materials. This suits my school's context and it is working well.
Of the schools I know, some set pre-recorded material with staff available during the day to chat with students, some do all live, some do a mix of live and not, some are sending all materials electronic,some are sending a mix of electronic and paper, some are using digital platforms with content and assessment built in. All of those models are valid, but for some on here only live video lessons will do.

The research and overview from Ofsted has said that live vs not live isn't a significant factor. The quality of curriculum matters more.

6: Live lessons aren’t always best
Some think that a live lesson is the ‘gold standard’ of remote education. This isn’t necessarily the case. Live lessons have a lot of advantages. They can make curriculum alignment easier, and can keep pupils’ attention, not least as the teacher has more control over the learning environment. But live lessons are not always more effective than asynchronous approaches.

There are some specific difficulties in doing live lessons. It can be hard to build in interaction and flexibility. This means that giving feedback can actually be less effective than when we use recorded lesson segments followed by interactive chats, or tasks and feedback. Using recorded lessons produced externally can allow you to easily draw on high-quality lessons taught by expert subject teachers. The challenge here can be to make sure they are integrated with the curriculum.

Because evidence suggests that concentration online is shorter than the length of a typical lesson, filming a classroom lesson may be ineffective.

Different approaches to remote education suit different types of content and pupils. Mixed models may be effective in some cases. For example, you could use the so-called ‘flipped learning’ model. In this, new content is taught through an asynchronous recorded lesson. Practice, tutoring and feedback are then done synchronously

It's an interesting document that many people would probably benefit from reading.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/whats-working-well-in-remote-education/whats-working-well-in-remote-education#remote-education-is-a-way-of-delivering-the-curriculum

It's also really useful for parents where their children's school is providing a genuinely poor provision.

It's not ridiculous to think there is a difference between moaning about not having video lessons and having genuine concerns about poor provision.

@LolaSmiles do you teach primary or secondary?

HHMommy
I teach secondary.

Just switch the camera off