WHO urges Britain to pause covid jabs after treating the vulnerable

[Jay2020]

Link

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/30/who-urges-britain-to-pause-covid-jabs-after-treating-vulnerable

I am beyond broken if this means we can't get to any kind of normality.

Let's face it the WHO know in which country they should appeal direct to the populace as Dr Harris seems to have done!

think what you meant to write there is

"Sorry, I didn't realise what you meant, I shouldn't have assumed that you're a vaccine refuser and told you that me and my front line colleagues would be fucked off with you if we have to treat you"
But I guess you're a bit too stubborn and reluctant to admit when you're wrong for that? You twisted my words!

No, I wrote exactly what I meant to write. You should try it out sometime. You appear to have a bit of a problem expressing yourself. The words are there and exactly what I meant to say. I don't need to alter them. You dont need to rewrite them for me to make it more palatable for yourself.

@MRex

I agree it doesn't need to be either/or. Fund and support simultaneous production of vaccines for developing countries through Covax/ Gavi, while vaccinating every willing adult (and children when approved). We'll finish faster, but we have really already suffered enough cases and death, and we need the economy back up to fund vaccines for others.

Yes very much agree with this

This whole " isn't it a colonial view" is a load to shit. It's akin to saying don't waste food because there are starving people in the world. It has no fucking relevance to my life and how I live it.

I and most people I know do NOT make there day to day decisions based on what others do not have in another part of the world. Most of us find it depressing enough to see what is going on in our own country let alone taking the burden on from others.

We are a household with disability and mental health issues. This past year has been a nightmare and I refuse to have to slow down to the slowest paced vaccination first world nations eg the EU.

We in the UK pert capita have put more into Covax than most. And feel that once vaccinated I know that the UK will be represented well with volunteers to go throughout the world to rollout vaccines.

We have already funded COVAX at a level only matched by Australia (if every country funded at the same proportion of economy size, the programme would be fully funded)

Even if everyone else paid up and it was fully funded, that doesn't mean it would be effective - sadly, bureaucratic behemoths often aren't (and lord knows we've enough of those in the UK )

As it happens I'm under 50 and would be perfectly happy to resume normal life without having a vaccine

I've got another 14 years on the clock, Wildswim, and feel exactly as you do. I realise of course that it's not up to any individual, but do get a bit weary of the expectation that everyone can be saved from everything all the time
To hear the carry-on you'd think this was something that threatened instant death to a vast percentage, instead of what it actually is ... and please don't anyone say "it'll finish the NHS!!" because, as was shown over the summer, that ship's well over the horizon now

@IrishMamaMia

I've seen this and was also annoyed by it. Same World Health Organisation who praised China and advocated NOT blocking any flights until end of February. I hope we continue to vaccinate our population and contribute to Novavax as planned.

Exactly

@BoGoFonMNBullies

The number of healthy young(ish) people getting it badly is vanishingly small This is not true in the UK currently. Maybe it is our new variant, but half of the people in critical care units in some areas are not in the at-risk groups and many are not even on any of the the priority lists.

True, very true. Unfortunately.

@Floppywin I would love to see us helping Ireland too. I have a vested interest (Irish) but from what I hear on the ground from family its not going well and it sounds like they have done some hospital staff randomly, random care homes and haven't done the over 80's in the community (their transmission is mainly in this vulnerable group). Now they are running short of vaccines. Given out shared border, close links and the Common travel area it would make sense to help them when we can (assuming the EU approves!!!!)

[quote IrishMamaMia]@Shelovesamystery
"Pp's have raised the point about other countries priority lists being different to ours and that is something that I wasn't aware of."
Maybe you should read up on Covid before posting then? Just a thought.[/quote]
😂

Oh are we talking about covid? Hmm, sorry I've never heard of it

Seriously though is that all you've got? A sly dig about a gap in my knowledge? Nothing better than sly digs? I like to be able to admit that my opinions aren't ideal, and that I can learn something from other posters. And you make a sly dig about it? Nice

@perfect28 do you think the uk could fix this on its own? Say we halt our programme and pass on some vaccinations , they wouldn't make a dent in it. It would need all countries on board - good luck with that

Hasn't the worlds richest countries (making up 16% of pop.) already got 60% of the worlds vaccine?

Does no one see anything not quite right with that?

Once the vulnerable are done, hospitalisations will fall dramatically and life will return to relative normality, well thats the plan.

As herd immunity isn't possible with a mutating virus, there is zero need to waste vaccine on younger healthy people.

A lot of fear on this thread, normally, do you all have flu and pneumonia jabs as well?

@Shelovesamystery well you're coming on here making sweeping statements about vaccinating the world. Maybe read up on what's happening.

Also this is a very temporary situation. Within a few months every country will have a vaccine hub. Partly because those countries that put their money where their mouth was invested.

Given WHO can't even ensure that babies are breastfed in countries that don't have reliable water supplies, didn't prevent the virus spreading, didn't ensure adequate PPE for every country and can't even get a measles vaccination worldwide, I doubt any developed country is going to listen to them tbh, unless it suits them.

I'm sorry but now is the time to act selfishly. We need the vaccines and we're not stealing them.

The WHO have been distinctly unimpressive over the past year - praising China etc. I used to trust them, but I don't anymore. We need to vaccinate everyone and close our borders until this is under control.

@bluethrough I didn't think HI had been dismissed fully yet?
Also we have clearly been told to expect restrictions of some kind to still exsist even once the vulnerable are vaccinated, it won't be totally back to normal

Does your generosity on other people's behalf only extend to vaccines?

And why now, and why only the Covid vaccine? There are so many other diseases in the world for which we could send vaccines and treatment to other countries. Cholera, typhoid, malaria, tetanus, measles, rubella, hepatitis, the list goes on. Why aren't we sending constant supplies of those? Should we take funds and resources away from the NHS in order to do so?

@bluethrough also this is not comparable to the flu is it ?

And why now, and why only the Covid vaccine?

It's a mystery

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@perfect28 do you think the uk could fix this on its own? Say we halt our programme and pass on some vaccinations , they wouldn't make a dent in it. It would need all countries on board - good luck with that [/quote]
So, just because everyone else does the wrong thing, we also have too? what happened to global britain, leading the way?

Even China is sending vaccine around the world, long before it has vaccinated its own populations, not for altruistic reasons about for influence.

To be honest people are dying in their 30,s in the UK and if it wasn't for China and the WHO this would not have happened

I know 2 suicides close to me /2 covid deaths and nhs friends burnt out and mentally scarred so they can bugger off until the uk is sorted

I'm on the brink of eligibility on the grounds of age, but I am happy to defer my slot for any parent who is CEV and younger. DS is 21 and has had COVID. I'd like my DH to have the jab because he has heart issues. But technically, I am in robust health and it doesn't bother me over much because I can take all the sensible hands, face, space advice and follow the rules.

@bluesername for the poorest countries, I think HIV is the particularly big one. The West try to help but I imagine it's hard to give somebody in Sub-Saharan Africa the level of care that someone with HIV using the NHS has. Health inequalities are a big issue. It's good that we are in Covax to help with this one.

@Bluethrough when are china sending vaccine? Also do we know how many china has vaccinated so far?
We have said we will also send vaccine and we have funded covax very well , a lot of countries could step up with this as well , we are one of the leading ones

Why is Oxford developing an accessible vaccine at cost with AZ not worth commenting on?

U.K. is leading the world with this, it’s a very small price compared to Pfizer. Oxford had it as a vision.

If we stop at 50 then are there any 45 plus year olds on this thread that ok with that?

Also police / teachers ok too?