Teachers, would you work?

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Just read an article which was stating that schools may run half days over the summer holidays due to missing so much from school closures.
Teachers, would you back this if you had the option to opt in or out to work over the summer holidays?

@CuckooCuckooClock yes I have - he needs more live lessons as it will help focus more then just some stranger on oak academy / also a 30 min live lesson at the end of the day reading a story that no one lessons too isn't really a lesson.

Do when I am saying whst rxyras are teachers doing I am going by my own personal experience.

Anyway I dont want to divert this thread.

I'd like summer school even an extra week. And I guess some teachers may welcome the extra money, I certainly will not look at it as free childcare you cannot assume we all will.

[quote Remmy123]@CuckooCuckooClock aside fron the x2 live lessons (one of which is a story) he has worksheets and writing pieces to compete that need me to help as I say, he is struggling. Oak academy / bbc can't help him complete the work set by the school[/quote]
@Remmy123 So it sounds like your DC is primary? They’re getting way more than my children (one literacy, one numeracy and topic worksheet a day). I’m a teacher and I’m not worried. They have plenty of years to ‘catch up’. They’re healthy and that’s my priority at the moment.

.. just tried to edit my post due to typos but I can't 😆

@motherrunner yes primary school.

Can you not see that your experience still means teachers are having to work harder? 2 live lessons a day plus work from Oak being set doesn't just happen via magic.

Probably not. I've been working flat out and really feel like my kids have suffered. I don't like them fending for themselves while I just sit in front of a laptop for hours on end. My intention for the school holidays is to be fully present with them to make up for all of this shit.

Pre-kids if they were willing to pay me for it, I'd have done it in a heart beat.

[quote Remmy123]@motherrunner yes primary school.[/quote]
@Remmy123 If your DC is struggling with the work set, email his teacher. My son has differentiated work sheets (ASD) to his peers and his teach would rather him play on TT Rockstars than complete a sheet of it caused him anxiety.

I know this is somewhat diverting the thread but please don’t worry. Your DC’s teacher probably thinks he is coping. Unless we know we can’t help. It is really tough. Lockdown one I couldn’t access a KW place so I was teaching live and my DC were on devices all day playing games. We got through it - just about!

@HercwasanEnemyofEducation

9.30-10.00 one live lesson just going through the day's tasks

Then there are worksheets / links from oak

2.30-3 a story

Is that acceptable/enough?

(Sorry about the typos!)

@motherrunner thank you

Legally they have to provide 3 hours worth of work per day. So yes that is enough. There is no legal requirement for any of it to be live.

If the teacher is also in school then that seems a good balance between managing the teacher workload and providing for students at home. Many schools have done surveys and had parents say they get too much vs other parents saying too little. Schools have a responsibility to their staff as well. How do you propose more live lessons happen logistically?

Some, probably yes, if it was paid. The summer holidays are long and DP works for some of them anyway. I am also an NQT, and I’ve never not worked a summer since I was 17. I always did when I was a TA because I couldn’t afford not to, so some work over summer is normal to me.
I haven’t been in part time or wfh at all this term though, so it wouldn’t be like I was “gaining back” any time I hadn’t had in school.

Unlikely.

There should be a priority for well being clubs being run with free access so pupils can do arts and sports activities.

This should be therapy and fun and active. Not a fronted adverbial in sight.

That will actually have more learning impact on the majority of pupils. People seem to forget the impact of these activities on a child's capacity and desire to learn.

A couple of exam years could I suppose have tutor access but I'm not secondary and I don't know how that would work.

Definitely not. Not even if they offered to pay us (dh and I both teach in same school)
We need a break. We're already utterly exhausted by doing 12 hour days at a computer.
Our children need their parents. We hardly see them except for dinner and then we all fall into bed.

At my school, we’ve been teaching core subjects in line whilst looking after vulnerable and key workers children in school. I think our provision is pretty decent and most kids won’t need “catching up”.
The trouble is the two or three in each class who haven’t engaged in line. Who’ve been provided with a laptop and still don’t attend online lessons. Whose parents “can’t do zoom” despite step by step instructions given over the phone. Whose parents have refused a place in school. These children are falling desperately behind but they wouldn’t attend summer school either.

These children are falling desperately behind but they wouldn’t attend summer school either.

This in spades.

Maybe his teacher is also looking after key worker children. At dhs school they have 40% of the pupils in as key workers. This means the staff are providing one English lesson, one maths lesson (but they do 2 as it’s differentiated) and Oak academy. The rest of the time they deliver the same lessons to those in school. It’s a real juggle. There are not hours in the day to provide more. All children are getting the same provision. I’m secondary and working from home so I’m able to deliver all of my usual lessons live on Teams because I’m not also looking after key worker children. Cover supervisors and TAs are doing that along with SLT so that we can teach all of our lessons. However this set up is simply not possible in dhs primary school.

[quote Remmy123]@Honeybobbin I'm not saying you are all crap!! Just curious to know where the extra work is coming from?

I dont read all the threads on here but ill say one thing - the posts I do read here are of teachers moaning!

Also, I thought KW kids were following the same work that the homeschool children are so it's not a full day of learning.

@noblegiraffe I don't read every thread. I'm too busy working full time and home educating my own kids - you dont see me on here moaning like the teachers about my profession and how exhausted I am .. etc etc[/quote]
I think teachers have a bloody good right to moan! Nobody has given a toss about teachers and their families welfare as long as schools remain open. When teachers warned about what would happen if schools carried on with no further safety measures in place they were expected to just get on with it and look what has happened. Everybody is struggling, but to expect teachers to be uncomplaining about the additional stress of no ppe, unpaid additional hours, slagging of by parents, being on their knees physically and mentally, and just totally undervalued I don't blame them one bit for not wanting to sacrifice anything else.

Not a chance. I would actually like to spend some time with my own two children over the holidays.

Remmy123
all I have read lately on MN are teachers moaning,

Strange all I here is gfs saying that teachers are moaning when teachers are defending themselves against gfs.

The trouble is the two or three in each class who haven’t engaged in line. Who’ve been provided with a laptop and still don’t attend online lessons. Whose parents “can’t do zoom” despite step by step instructions given over the phone. Whose parents have refused a place in school. These children are falling desperately behind but they wouldn’t attend summer school either.

Exactly this it won’t target the children who haven’t engaged.

@Remmy123 you asked where the extra work comes from. Well, usually I plan a lesson, photocopy the resources and then teach it. Maybe mark some work. Now I have to write a lesson to teach remotely (a very different skill as a science teacher), ensure everything required is uploaded to Teams for kids to access. Write a forms quiz in order to get feedback. Then for lesson open all resources I've previously uploaded, teach the lesson via Teams, get kids to send work in and then mark it. Work can come by uploading, but also as individual photos which take ages to mark.
I've had to rewrite every lesson as most in school ones included a practical or demo.
Repeat this process 23 times a week. On top of welfare calls for kids struggling in my tutor group. And planning for whatever is going to be needed for year 11 and 13.
There is more. But hope that helps understand why there is more work to do.

So many heads are leaving the profession due to burn out.

So many teachers are too.

The heads won't do it.

I'm working harder than ever in an unrecognisable profession with no idea of what's to come.

All children in in sen. So they won't want to be indoors all summer. And no vaccine offer on the horizon (some LAs are vaccinating some send settings but it's inconsistent.)

I'll be taking the kids out and about all summer and seeing relatives and reconnecting children with their mates. I imagine a lot of parents will too.

they get x2 live and one pre recorded so 3 hours a day and that is it!! I dont think it's sufficient.

Well take a look at the government requirements and see if they are reaching them. This is aged element somewhat but 3 hours is the expectation for key stage 1. Therefore school is doing what they need. Depending in age - Can your children not do extra such as reading, online PE sessions and topic work to fill the remaining time? Absolutely tons of free stuff online if you want more than the government says they should provide.

If we put out more then we'd have parents unhappy.
Some parents already think we have too much.
I'm sure some would like more, hence we post recommended links attached to tasks for online extension. And we tell them they are expected to read daily, etc.

At school they wouldn't be doing that much more once you take out break times, lunch times, assemblies, settling time, and independent work.

@Remmy123

all I have read lately on MN are teachers moaning,

One poster on this thread called it 'free childcare' for us parents. Like we are are sitting at home doing f-all wanting to ship our kids off to school!!

It's pathetic.

No matter what job you are in currently we are all working much more than usual.

Teachers are doing two jobs at one, in school teaching and supporting remote learning. You're doing two jobs at once. Your own work and supporting your children's learning.

It's shit for everyone. Try and have some empathy.