What do EU nationals think of the vaccines mess?

[Frazzled2207]

I’m a committed remainer. But the EU really did mess up last night. More seriously they are not in a good position right now with regards vaccine supply. Lots of anti-Eu posts here right now from committed remainers like me.

Just wondering what EU citizens make of all this and is there any bad feeling towards the UK? Do you think the EU has a right to some of the UK’s vaccine supply? Are people angry at the fact that the UK was able to secure more vaccines more quickly? Or are we coming across as selfish idiots?
Generally curious and am not here to start an argument

Are you referring to Ireland here or the South of Ireland it is unclear what you are trying to say

Ireland could mean north and south. Southern Ireland is clearer, but ROI is more accurate.

Ireland could mean north and south. Southern Ireland is clearer, but ROI is more accurate.

Clearer for who ? Southern Ireland makes no sense at all. The reason people say Northern Ireland is because that is the actual name of the country not because it just happens to be up North. Are you telling me our constitution is wrong and that the name isn't Ireland?

The island of Ireland includes NI and the ROI.

@Waspnest

The Germany and France figures are a bit scary then. I knew France was reluctant but I didn't know the same was true of Germany. So are they happy living in lockdown?

I heard that as a country France are quite anti vax in general. So I assume it’s the same with any jabs offered including the flu jab.

They’ll need to change their views if they want to travel I would assume....

Anecdotally re: Ireland, my health professional family members have all had their two doses. My recovering-from-surgery late-80s grandmother and colleague’s 90-something father haven’t even been invited for their first dose. It does seem a bit weird.

I wouldn't say Germans are anti vax, but culturally sceptical about anything new.

My healthcare colleagues don't want the AZ vaccination, most of us are having our 2nd Pfizer dose this week but a few didn't have the first dose yet and are worried they'll be offered AZ.

@UntilYourNextHairBrainedScheme
that's interesting - is it because they are holding out for Pfizer because they think it's better? or do they actually not trust the AZ one. Weirdly my parents who worry about everything have just been offered AZ and are not bothered at all about the (largely wrong) calls that it's not very effective in older people

Well I guess if the German health board are dubious about efficacy (even if they think the issue is for over 65s) that will be passed on to the population.

I wouldn't say Germans are anti vax, but culturally sceptical about anything new.

What's bizarre is that AZ is using an older well established vaccine mechanism. It's the Pfizer (mRNA) one using the newer less tested one!

Weirdly my parents who worry about everything have just been offered AZ and are not bothered at all about the (largely wrong) calls that it's not very effective in older people

My DM has had Pfizer, my DDad has had AZ. Me and my sister have said we're treating them as guinea pigs to see the differences between the two vaccines.

I heard that as a country France are quite anti vax in general

Last survey I heard about (via French TV yesterday) was it was a pretty level pegging between "will have the jab" and "won't have the jab"

There's also a bit of anecdotal evidence that once some people, supposedly claiming to be anti-vax see their neighbours getting vaccinated they suddenly change their minds...

@Wildswim

Are you referring to Ireland here or the South of Ireland it is unclear what you are trying to say

Ireland could mean north and south. Southern Ireland is clearer, but ROI is more accurate.

My home country is called Ireland. Not Southern Ireland and not ROI, which is just as wrong as Southern Ireland.

There's also a bit of anecdotal evidence that once some people, supposedly claiming to be anti-vax see their neighbours getting vaccinated they suddenly change their minds...

Let's hope that happens in the UK as well. Saying that, the only person I know who has doubts about the vaccine is only worried because she is currently getting over Covid and worries about whether her immune system would be overwhelmed. But she wouldn't be eligible for a couple of months anyway so she doesn't need to make the decision yet.

@FatCatThinCat
I get that but surely you can understand that Ireland is also an island which includes two different nations. If you say Ireland it's impossible to tell if you mean the island or the country hence common to use ROI.

Agree Southern is wrong though, not sure if someone it talking about the Republic or the southern end of it. I think it's the lazy way of saying the part other than NI.

Are you telling me our constitution is wrong and that the name isn't Ireland?

No, I'm saying that 'Ireland' could mean the island of Ireland. That's all.

Republic or Ireland is the clearest appellation.

Didn't we used to refer to it as Eire (sorry I don't know how to do accented letters on my keyboard)?

[quote Frazzled2207]@FatCatThinCat
I get that but surely you can understand that Ireland is also an island which includes two different nations. If you say Ireland it's impossible to tell if you mean the island or the country hence common to use ROI.

Agree Southern is wrong though, not sure if someone it talking about the Republic or the southern end of it. I think it's the lazy way of saying the part other than NI.[/quote]
It's not impossible. Ireland means the country. The Island of Ireland means the island of Ireland. Kind of simple really.

Sorry, Republic of Ireland.

Not really that simple. Lots of people living in Co Down or Co Fermanagh would say they live in Ireland.

@Wildswim

Are you telling me our constitution is wrong and that the name isn't Ireland?

No, I'm saying that 'Ireland' could mean the island of Ireland. That's all.

Republic or Ireland is the clearest appellation.

Sorry but you're wrong there. Ireland means Ireland and the island of Ireland means the island of Ireland. Republic of Ireland is harking back to colonialism and is offensive, hence the UK government finally agreeing to stop using it as part of the Good Friday Agreement.

Sorry, that's offensive to people living in Co Fermanagh or Co Down who have Irish passports and consider themselves to live in Ireland.

@Wildswim

Sorry, that's offensive to people living in Co Fermanagh or Co Down who have Irish passports and consider themselves to live in Ireland.

Quite right, what was I thinking. Got above my station there and assumed I'd know what my country was actually called. Good job there was a brit around to correct me.

Now the EU are saying the UK compromised on vaccine safety.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/02/ursula-von-der-leyen-accuses-uk-of-compromising-on-vaccine-safety

[quote Baileysforchristmas]Now the EU are saying the UK compromised on vaccine safety.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/02/ursula-von-der-leyen-accuses-uk-of-compromising-on-vaccine-safety[/quote]
Wish they’d take it or not. Comments all the time are highly irritating, what have they done so well apart from stuff up orders. EC itself that is not Pfizer.

What will happen when (as seems likely at some point) the island of Ireland unites and is also called Ireland---how will we distinguish between the new larger Ireland and the current Ireland (which covers only part of the island) if we use Ireland to refer to them both?

It’s not going to help on getting jabs in people’s arms, antivaxers in the EU will not want to be vaccinated, i’d prefer ours than China or Russia’s one.