Will having the COVID vaccine become mandatory

[yarncakes]

I am not having it done as it is my choice. I'm not going to treated like a guinea pig until I know the long term effects of it. But I've been reading here and there that most countries are going to make it mandatory so if you want to travel there, you have to prove you've had the vaccine. Also jobs as well, especially NHS and care homes, you have to have it done. My boss is funny with me because I am refusing to have it but again, it's my body and my choice but I'm just worried I will be forced to have it against my will if it means living my life normally again.

@whatisthislifesofullofcare

The Council of Europe have ruled against it becoming mandatory. This ruling covers the UK and will ensure that the unvaccinated cannot be discriminated against (so, you could take action against say, flight operators/employers who treated you differently).

That’s great news 😊

@Shehz21

U8myufo

The OP wasn't exactly the kindest in the opening post. And the VAST majority of comments have actually been kind despite the OP being so nasty with giving people who participated in the trials the title of Guinea Pig. Most have mentioned it is indeed her choice and no one will force her. But she might miss out on certain things like international travel and certain services even.

I do think the guinea pig comment wasn't the best choice of words. Clearly people in the trials have put themselves at personal risk for the greater good so I can see they would find it insulting.

It's your choice not to have it.

It's other companies/countries choice to let you in or not.

Fair is fair.

I will be over the moon if airlines/museums/other attractions want proof of vaccine. A great idea.

It's not going to be mandatory for everybody to have it.
It may be a condition of entry to some countries. You don't have to visit them, I assume.
If it's a condition of employment, you don't have to accept the offer of employment.
It's always up to you.

I would genuinely like to know how long the OP thinks we should wait to rule out long term effects. 1 year, 5 years, 10 years, a generation? How long will it take to be satisfied that this is safe?

Another person that feels the need (attention seeking) to tell the world that they aren't having the vaccine

Why can't you keep your decision to yourself? Not sure why you've had to tell your boss either. I doubt they care, I certainly wouldn't. It's your life, do what you want

I’m not sure how, from a practical perspective, it can be made mandatory, unless they’re going to start holding people down and sticking it in their arm.

What’s more likely is informal pressure - i.e. you can’t do [x] unless you’ve been vaccinated (or have a good reason not to be and a negative test result).

I'm not going to treated like a guinea pig until I know the long term effects of it

Out of interest, how long is long term to you, OP.

By this time next week there will be over 10 million people in the UK who have had either the Pfizer or AZ vaccine. I don’t think of them as guinea pigs, but since you appear to be regarding them as such - how long is long enough for you to be convinced?

I mean, I don’t know about you, but while I’ve heard of plenty of people who have had sore arms and felt unwell for a day or two after the vaccine, I haven’t seen reports of major problems emerging. And they do tend to emerge pretty soon after vaccination, if they are going to.

@Shehz21

But alcoholics and criminals are not the ones who might put the NHS or any other country's medical services under pressure again? Comparing someone who has coronavirus, a virus that spreads like wildfire to an alcoholic in this particular circumstance just doesn't make sense? I don't know what the answer it but personally, like the majority of previous posters, I hope that it becomes mandatory in the tourism industry for example.

But vaccine refusers shouldn’t be punished because they’re not the ones who fucked up the NHS.

On the subject of fairness, was it fair that hundreds of thousands of pounds were spent keeping Myra Hindley and Peter Sutcliffe alive as long as they were with their myriad of health conditions? One could argue that money could have been better spent on other NHS resources, but nobody should be denied treatment, in my view.

YANBU op, because despite the mn scientists, the real ones just don’t know yet!
It’s entirely your choice, whether it stops you doing things like travelling I don’t know and neither does anyone on here!

@yarncakes

I've been reading here and there

Can you be more specific with your sources?

Your OP is bollocks, and you know it

I doubt it will be mandatory. Countries that require you to have a vaccine to enter are usually to prevent you from contracting some form of disease. How can it be mandatory when it doesn't stop you from spreading or catching COVID? I'd agree that yes, masks and testing could well be required.

And I don't think a new emergency-approved vaccine (of all vaccines) should or will be made mandatory

The care home I work in has basically told us if we don’t have it then we’ll be sacked and they won’t be employing anyone new who won’t have it. At the moment I’m off sick so haven’t had it yet and I’ve been blocked from using the company’s reward scheme and the ‘happiness’ app they provide. I also didn’t receive a bonus other members of staff got. Got a letter telling me I was no longer entitled to company benefits until I have the vaccine. Essentially they are making it difficult for people who haven’t had it.

So I’m guessing it will be mandatory for some jobs and probably travel.

I understand your reticence OP, but it’s a very very tiny personal risk. The risk is greater for those with allergies and the elderly if you look at the reactions and deaths in over 75s in Norway.

Yes it’s shit for those groups - but if you don’t fall into those groups...

Without a vaccine you are looking at the MUCH bigger risk of COVID or longCOVID. So many people on the longCOVID boards were fit and healthy before they got longCOVID...

On balance what’s the most likely option?

And that’s apart from the beneficial aspect of the vaccine for humans as a group...

@thebestnamehere

Yellow Fever or Typhoid jabs to travel on holiday without a second thought though wouldnt you

These are traditional technology vaccines that have been around for years. You cannot compare them to the Covid vaccines

yarncakes

“I am not having it done as it is my choice. I'm not going to treated like a guinea pig until I know the long term effects of iT”

Ah, I see. You want to see the effect it has on the rest of us guinea pigs first. Right.

You have every right to refuse. Your boss has every right to find a new employee if your job requires international travel and you can’t fulfil that requirement.

@Wobblysausage

The care home I work in has basically told us if we don’t have it then we’ll be sacked and they won’t be employing anyone new who won’t have it. At the moment I’m off sick so haven’t had it yet and I’ve been blocked from using the company’s reward scheme and the ‘happiness’ app they provide. I also didn’t receive a bonus other members of staff got. Got a letter telling me I was no longer entitled to company benefits until I have the vaccine. Essentially they are making it difficult for people who haven’t had it.

So I’m guessing it will be mandatory for some jobs and probably travel.

I think they might be on dodgy ground for staff already working there. They can of course make it a condition of employment for new and future staff.

@Wobblysausage

Got a letter telling me I was no longer entitled to company benefits until I have the vaccine

Maybe it's time you changed jobs then

It's likely to mandatory for travelling on public international transport, visas and yes occupations that include close contact. As you have already been offered it you much be in healthcare which means you are being highly irresponsible not having it.

Without a vaccine you are looking at the MUCH bigger risk of COVID or longCOVID.

Maybe not. She may have already had it mildly/asymptomatically and be immune - like the vast majority who have had it.

Why do people always focus on the doom and gloom?

@DenisetheMenace

Your boss has every right to find a new employee if your job requires international travel and you can’t fulfil that requirement

Covid vaccination is not mandatory for international travel at the moment, so why is her employer (in theory) trying to force the vaccine on the OP?

trulydelicious

You’re right.
If it becomes so, which many business leaders are suggesting it will.

@whatisthislifesofullofcare

The Council of Europe have ruled against it becoming mandatory

Thanks for the info. It makes sense, it should be a personal decision

HibernatingTill2030 I know, even my manager has said she doesn’t think it’s exactly legal and she’s been put in an awful position. I’m not worried, I am going to have the vaccine when I’m feeling better.