Will having the COVID vaccine become mandatory

[yarncakes]

I am not having it done as it is my choice. I'm not going to treated like a guinea pig until I know the long term effects of it. But I've been reading here and there that most countries are going to make it mandatory so if you want to travel there, you have to prove you've had the vaccine. Also jobs as well, especially NHS and care homes, you have to have it done. My boss is funny with me because I am refusing to have it but again, it's my body and my choice but I'm just worried I will be forced to have it against my will if it means living my life normally again.

What I your definition of guinea pig?

How many more millions of people round the world would you consider enough for something that might affect you to be known? Ithink I heard it's around 100 million now. It's frankly ridiculous to think that you'd be any kind of research case.
Which vaccines are you thinking off with long term effects?

There's absolutley no need for you to have the vaccine but people might take your views more seriously if your reasons had some sense to them

The whole ‘getting it for other people’ so ‘we can all return to normal’ argument is really starting to annoy me. The vaccine is being given to people to reduce risk of complications/hospitalisations. It’s for your own personal benefit. When the more vulnerable groups are vaccinated the pressure should come off the nhs and restrictions can be lifted. Not everyone will need to be vaccinated to achieve this.

The virus is not going anywhere. The vaccines are nowhere near 100% effective. There have been more than enough articles about this so stop trying to guilt people into having something that they don’t want and probably don’t need because for the vast majority of people, this is a mild disease. It is a personal choice. If you have the disease and recover you are also immune and contributing to herd immunity. (Which recent studies have shown is unlikely to be reached anyway - even with the vaccine) And before someone trots out ‘we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts’ Recent studies have shown it lasts 5-8+ months and is expected to continue longer. We don’t know how long vaccine immunity lasts yet though.

I bet you anti vaxxers would have Yellow Fever or Typhoid jabs to travel on holiday without a second thought though wouldnt you???

If you decide you have to have it so you can travel and work, you are consenting and it's not 'against your will'. Every medicine you take has risks and benefits that you have to weigh up. That's life.

Well that's fine. Don't have it and holiday in the uk.

Oh Christ. You won’t have the vaccine which has proven to be safe but you are willing to catch the disease which is very much proven to have long term effects on health. It won’t be made mandatory but I hope that unless you have a medical exemption you won’t be allowed to mix with other people who you could potentially kill.

No, it’s highly unlikely to be made mandatory.

Like others though, I do hope it’s compulsory for travel, medical/school/close contact job roles and for leisure venues.

@KihoBebiluPute I wish I could like your post! Spot on!

OP you lose any credibility with the guinea pig comment, you are aware there has been research and years of previous research they have used to ensure its safety?

I hope it will be made mandatory for overseas travel and certain occupations.

Unlikely to be made mandatory because we have bodily autonomy.

However there is a huge difference between "I have reservations about this element of the vaccine so I will find out more" and "I wrong be a Guinea pig". The first is a rational appraisal of the situation from someone who will probably apply common sense and own their choice. The second is the sort of thing said by conspiracy theorists or people who think doing their research is watching a youtube clip or an influencer sharing a misleading infographic on social media.

Nope- you won't ever be made to have it.

Right now no one can travel, or go to the pub or to festivals or concerts. The way we will be able to do those things is through the vaccine program. So if you mļake the choice not to have it, but want to be able to do all of those things because everyone around you has taken the tiny tiny tiny risk and been 'guinea pigs' to make that happen, then you are incredibly selfish, and should expect people to be funny with you - I can't usually hide my 'funny' with selfish people.

If I think it's too risky to get on a plane because of the data on crashes, I miss out on holidays abroad. If I think it's too risky to go on a night out due to data on attacks and murders of women on nights out, then I miss out on fun with my friends. If I think it's too risky to get in a car because my friend died in a car crash, then I miss out on convientient travel. So make your own choice- fine, but why the hell would you not expect any consequences?

And thank god for all those people who signed themselves up to the trials of the vaccine, who have got us here. I am truly truly grateful to you all.

The whole ‘getting it for other people’ so ‘we can all return to normal’ argument is really starting to annoy me. The vaccine is being given to people to reduce risk of complications/hospitalisations. It’s for your own personal benefit. When the more vulnerable groups are vaccinated the pressure should come off the nhs and restrictions can be lifted. Not everyone will need to be vaccinated to achieve this

So someone getting it for their own individual protection does benefit everyone else from a restrictions point of view then doesn’t it?

I don't think it will become mandatory but I agree in certain jobs it should be. I would want myself or family to be looked after by someone (care home, hospital) who hasn't had the vaccine and put my family at risk.

I think you will also need to have had it to travel to come countries, and rightly so.

A whole load of people have already been Guinea pigs. It's called the "trial" stage and has to happen before any drug or vaccine gets approved.

Highly unlikely to be mandatory but f you want to take your chances with COVID instead then feel free to be a guinea pig for the rest of us.

Will you need to have it if you want to live ‘normally’ over the next few years?

Yes, probably, but no one is forcing you to live normally.

Holidays abroad are not an essential. You can probably understand that people paying huge amounts to live in a care home would ask that the staff looking after them have taken every possible precaution to not get ill and pass on infection.

(You do realise that the flu jab given every year is a new vaccine, different from the previous year, so developed quickly?)

Right now no one can travel, or go to the pub or to festivals or concerts. The way we will be able to do those things is through the vaccine program. So if you mļake the choice not to have it, but want to be able to do all of those things because everyone around you has taken the tiny tiny tiny risk

People have really lost sight of what the vaccine is for - protecting the more vulnerable so the NHS isn’t overwhelmed. We will be able to do those things again when the people more at risk of being hospitalised have been vaccinated. Not when everyone has been vaccinated.

I cant see it happening. Could be wrong.
BAME[hate that term] are the group least likely to have the vaccine currently.
The cries of racism, and perhaps rightly so, would be heard the world over, if the vaccine was made mandatory.

This is Britain. It's not the British way to force people to have vaccines against their will.

When I lived in Australia my dd wasn't immunised against chicken pox when she started school because she'd had chicken pox when she was three. So I had to have a form saying she wasn't immunised.

It was called a conscientious objection form (no white feather involved though) which the school had to have in place of her vaccine certification.

Then, every time there was a chicken pox put break at the school dd, along with other children who weren't vaccinated against it, were not allowed to go to school.

I agree that the reason your boss looked at you that way is because he thought you were someone with a bit of an idea about things. Someone with a brain in their head.

Everyone who’s had the misfortune to become ill with covid - they’re the real guinea pigs.

For every person who dies with covid, around 4 or 5 survivors are suffering with long term effects.(I read this the other day but will try to find the link again)
I’d be much more concerned about that than completely unfounded worries about the vaccines.

@bumbleymummy

The whole ‘getting it for other people’ so ‘we can all return to normal’ argument is really starting to annoy me. The vaccine is being given to people to reduce risk of complications/hospitalisations. It’s for your own personal benefit. When the more vulnerable groups are vaccinated the pressure should come off the nhs and restrictions can be lifted. Not everyone will need to be vaccinated to achieve this.

The virus is not going anywhere. The vaccines are nowhere near 100% effective. There have been more than enough articles about this so stop trying to guilt people into having something that they don’t want and probably don’t need because for the vast majority of people, this is a mild disease. It is a personal choice. If you have the disease and recover you are also immune and contributing to herd immunity. (Which recent studies have shown is unlikely to be reached anyway - even with the vaccine) And before someone trots out ‘we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts’ Recent studies have shown it lasts 5-8+ months and is expected to continue longer. We don’t know how long vaccine immunity lasts yet though.

This.

The judgement and bitchiness on this thread towards the OP is fucking awful. Her body, her choice. It’s nobody else’s business.

The judgement and bitchiness on this thread towards the OP is fucking awful. Her body, her choice. It’s nobody else’s business

The OP is perpetuating a dangerous myth that people receiving vaccines are somehow guinea pigs - this what people rightly object to and this is what makes it everyone else’s business.

@southeastdweller
"The judgement and bitchiness on this thread towards the OP is fucking awful. Her body, her choice. It’s nobody else’s business."

But the OP posted on a public forum asking for opinions and what other people thought. Surely you don't expect everyone to agree with her. Yes absolutely her body and her choice but she's asked for people to comment so they will.

You are not going to have it against your will, don’t worry.

I understand people can make decisions on their own bodies; the problem I have with people that refuse to have the vaccine is that they will be able to go back to “normal” thanks to the people who have had it.
I think it is a bit unfair and selfish really.

It won't become mandatory because that will just feed the conspiracy theories more.

But I do hope that employers and service providers are able to require employees, customers service users etc to have it.

So if you don't want to have it fine but stay away from everyone else.

And let's invest more in science education in the future so people have a better grasp of the fundamentals and stop thinking they know better after watching YouTube.