Page 3 | Will having the COVID vaccine become mandatory

DicklessWonder · 30/01/2021 10:17

@Excitablemuch

OP long term effects are a red herring here. The vaccine is probably only effective for a year... so unlikely to have long term effects. If you are going to react to any vaccine it is likely quick/instant reaction science shows. It won’t be mandatory- but I will not take my child near people who haven’t had it - because I wouldn’t want him to infect them!

Unlike long Covid, which is very real, very destructive and affecting about 20% of people with Covid.

If you’re going to play the odds, these aren’t the ones to play. Unless you think the lining of your lungs/brain function is something you can do without. 🤷🏻‍♀️

piscis · 30/01/2021 10:20

There have been more than enough articles about this so stop trying to guilt people into having something that they don’t want and probably don’t need because for the vast majority of people, this is a mild disease

There is a problem with this though. If the virus is in circulation has more opportunity to mutate. The more it circulates (the less vaccinnated people), the more it mutates. Until a point that the existing vaccines may no longer work if the virus mutates too much, and we are back to square one and we can have a lot of deaths again because it is not a mild desease for everyone.

So, yes, you can decide not to get the jab, but in doing so you are contributing to circulation of the virus, mutations and potentially rendering vaccines less effective for people who can die from it.

AllThatFancyPaintsAsFair · 30/01/2021 10:21

The judgement and bitchiness on this thread towards the OP is fucking awful. Her body, her choice. It’s nobody else’s business

I don't see anyone saying she can't choose not to have it, quite the reverse and it's neith bitchy or judgemental to challenge poor thinking skills and lack of research.

So far the OP hasn't come back to carry on the discussions, when she's able to maybe she can provide some evidence for her reasons.

LolaSmiles · 30/01/2021 10:21

The judgement and bitchiness on this thread towards the OP is fucking awful. Her body, her choice. It’s nobody else’s business
Most people have been entirely clear that bodily autonomy is a right.

It's not judgey or bitchy to disagree. The OP ASKED for people's opinions.

It's also entirely reasonable to believe that people have bodily autonomy whilst taking a dim view of people who spout nonsense about being Guinea pigs.

Anyway, what is it on here with some posters thinking women disagreeing on a topic equals bitchy. How sad that it's 2021 and there's still people thinking women should smile nicely in the corner like good little girls.

bumblingbovine49 · 30/01/2021 10:23

@Waxonwaxoff0

No vaccine will ever be mandatory, but it might be a requirement for travel. If you don't want it you might have to face that you won't be allowed to travel abroad.

The smallpox vaccine was made mandatory because lots of people also objected to being made ' guinea pigs' at the time so I wouldn't completely rule it out.

However my view is that it won't be compulsory exactly but that life night get much more complicated for those who refuse vaccination There may be 'allowed' reasons for not being vaccinated but if you are not in those categories, you may find some things are not available to you.

Rosehip10 · 30/01/2021 10:25

Anti vaxers are airheads

Cornettoninja · 30/01/2021 10:28

Oh dear! Asking questions about the vaccine really does bring the nastiest out

Not really, maybe your internal narrative is reading things in a different tone?

Besides the OP takes some responsibility in setting the tone. Referring to people as guinea pigs (the implication being they’re far cleverer) in the initial post isn’t actually inviting rational discussion is it? I’m happy to reassure anyone that it’s very, very, very unlikely that covid vaccination will become mandated but I’m not going to pretend that their views are rational no matter how entitled they are to them.

Cornettoninja · 30/01/2021 10:29

Cross posted with @Rosehip10 facepalm

lightand · 30/01/2021 10:29

MN is rife with name calling.

I dont think I have heard name calling in real life since I was about 6.

UnmentionedElephantDildo · 30/01/2021 10:30

@lightand

MN is rife with name calling.

I dont think I have heard name calling in real life since I was about 6.

Yes, writing off so much of the population as 'guinea pigs' was unnecessary, untrue and unkind

piscis · 30/01/2021 10:32

What do people here think about people having to pay for their medical treatment if needed if they had refused to get the vaccine and require hospitalisation for Covid later?

Someone told me this was considered in Italy (not sure if it is going to be implemented though!)

It seems harsh but on the other hand, why is this going to come from public money when you had been offered a way to avoid it and you refused?

Cornettoninja · 30/01/2021 10:32

@lightand - the media is pretty rife with name calling too eg. Remoaners, covidiots etc. Tbf it is a pretty succinct way of disagreeing, I don’t think it’s going anywhere.

Calmandmeasured1 · 30/01/2021 10:41

it's my body and my choice but I'm just worried I will be forced to have it against my will if it means living my life normally again.
Well, OP, it may be your choice as to whether you have the vaccine but your rights do not trump the rights of a country to protect its citizens from risk of the virus or the rights of an employer to protect their staff and clientele.

You will just have to make another choice about whether to use those services. They aren't forcing you to use them. They don't need you. You don't have a right to go to those countries or be employed by those employers. If you decide to do so, you won't have been forced, you will have made an informed choice, maybe begrudgingly, but nevertheless a choice.

southeastdweller · 30/01/2021 10:42

@piscis

What do people here think about people having to pay for their medical treatment if needed if they had refused to get the vaccine and require hospitalisation for Covid later?

Someone told me this was considered in Italy (not sure if it is going to be implemented though!)

It seems harsh but on the other hand, why is this going to come from public money when you had been offered a way to avoid it and you refused?

I think that's a slippery slope to madness - where do we draw the line? Do we refuse treatment to alcoholics? Criminals? It would never happen anyway, of course. The NHS - as shit as it generally is - is for EVERYONE.

What do you think?

bumbleymummy · 30/01/2021 10:43

So if you don't want to have it fine but stay away from everyone else.

Why? If you’ve had the vaccine and you’re immune, you won’t get ill/seriously ill. If you’re not immune then you’re putting people at risk too.

@piscis Or it could mutate to a milder form (as many viruses do) and we’d all be better off.

People seem to forget that lots of people already have immunity from natural infection. Many more will acquire immunity this way over the next few months. The vaccine isn’t the only way to become immune. Why should people who are immune have to stay away from others/not travel because they didn’t need/want the vaccine.

lunar1 · 30/01/2021 10:47

I can't wait to be able to pick destinations, services and and business that makes it mandatory with the exception of the very few people who can't have it for medical reasons.

NHS staff have all been required to have multiple vaccines to be allowed to work, this is just one more.

My money will definitely be going to companies who insist everyone is vaccinated.

lightand · 30/01/2021 10:48

@lightand - the media is pretty rife with name calling too eg. Remoaners, covidiots etc. Tbf it is a pretty succinct way of disagreeing, I don’t think it’s going anywhere

@Cornettoninja. I agree the media do it too.
Not really being kind to people is it, name calling.
I cant see it stopping anytime soon. I choose battles carefully. I wouldnt choose that one right now, necessarily.

Unsure33 · 30/01/2021 10:48

I do hope eventually it becomes mandatory for travel as some other vaccines are because that industry has been hit hard and a holiday in a safe environment is the one thing ( after hugging family) that I am looking forward to .

And I personally would like to say thank you to the “ real guinea pigs “ all the people who took part in the trials .

Not the fake ones whining on for attention.

piscis · 30/01/2021 10:53

@southeastdweller

I don’t actually know, I’ve got mixed feelings.
I undesrtand your point about alcoholics, smokers...if alcohol and smoking is legal then treatment should be provided (well, it is even provided with the use of illegal drugs)
But imagine there is a jab that if given you won’t get lung cancer if you are a smoker, and you refuse, is that fair? Does it make sense?

Yes, the NHS is for everyone but people refusing vaccinnes are potentially putting other people and the NHS at risk.

I don’t know, it is very complicated! I don’t have a clear idea because I can see both sides...

BogForLife · 30/01/2021 10:56

Her body, her choice. It’s nobody else’s business

Yes, her body her choice. But she was asking a question and people answered: take your choice but understand the (reasonable) consequences. Surely the OP can understand that being refused entry to a COVID free country without the vaccine is not the same as it being ‘mandatory’.

Shehz21 · 30/01/2021 10:57

But alcoholics and criminals are not the ones who might put the NHS or any other country's medical services under pressure again? Comparing someone who has coronavirus, a virus that spreads like wildfire to an alcoholic in this particular circumstance just doesn't make sense?
I don't know what the answer it but personally, like the majority of previous posters, I hope that it becomes mandatory in the tourism industry for example.

U8myufo · 30/01/2021 10:57

@Cornettoninja

Oh dear! Asking questions about the vaccine really does bring the nastiest out

Not really, maybe your internal narrative is reading things in a different tone?

Besides the OP takes some responsibility in setting the tone. Referring to people as guinea pigs (the implication being they’re far cleverer) in the initial post isn’t actually inviting rational discussion is it? I’m happy to reassure anyone that it’s very, very, very unlikely that covid vaccination will become mandated but I’m not going to pretend that their views are rational no matter how entitled they are to them.

How can you look at the majority of posts on this thread and say 'not really'.

I just read a comment that said 'so if you don't want to have it fine but stay away from everyone else' or live on the fringes of society. Like an outcast...

How is that not nasty? You can't seriously be reading this thread and thinking that everyone's being kind!

UnmentionedElephantDildo · 30/01/2021 10:59

How is that not nasty? You can't seriously be reading this thread and thinking that everyone's being kind!

After OP was so unkind in her 'guinea pig* comment in the very opening post, I think it was always a bit unlikely that everyone would let that bit if nastiness go without comment

whatisthislifesofullofcare · 30/01/2021 11:04

The Council of Europe have ruled against it becoming mandatory. This ruling covers the UK and will ensure that the unvaccinated cannot be discriminated against (so, you could take action against say, flight operators/employers who treated you differently).

Shehz21 · 30/01/2021 11:06

U8myufo

The OP wasn't exactly the kindest in the opening post. And the VAST majority of comments have actually been kind despite the OP being so nasty with giving people who participated in the trials the title of Guinea Pig. Most have mentioned it is indeed her choice and no one will force her. But she might miss out on certain things like international travel and certain services even.