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Can anyone quickly sum up what the EU dispute all about?

104 replies

2boysand1princess · 29/01/2021 18:44

I’ve been so busy recently with wfh, homeschooling 2 primary kids and looking after a baby etc that I’ve not been keep up to date with the news. What’s the dispute over the vaccines and EU all about? Is there an obstacle for us getting the Oxford vaccine into the county now? If so why?
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SueEllenMishke · 29/01/2021 19:47

Titchy that's bloody brilliant 👏👏

LetItGoGo · 29/01/2021 19:48

titchy that's good!

Where does Nicola sturgeon fit in. I've been avoiding that bit of the sorry saga!

Jellykat · 29/01/2021 19:48

But what does NI have to do with Angelas cancelled Take That gig??

Frazzled2207 · 29/01/2021 19:49

@withinacceptabletolerances

This has been making me a bit panicked today. Mum who is elderly and CEV has had dose 1 of Pfizer. What happens if we can't import dose 2??
I suspect before that happens they would make sure any remaining doses are 2nd rather than 1st doses. It would be such a dickish move, as not tested AT ALL, that people would refuse to have a different vaccine as a second dose. I know I would. That all being said they might be able to “conveniently” blame the EU for the cock up. There is nothing at the moment to suggest the Eu can actually stop Pfizer ordered in good faith leaving Belgium for the Uk, although they apparently can stop us trying to smuggle it in via NI. I suspect both sides will have their extremely expensive lawyers on the case.
Oblomov20 · 29/01/2021 19:52

Love the Titchy Take That! Grin

Waspnest · 29/01/2021 19:53

I think Angela is worried that Gary et al will try to sneak into NI via the RoI so is threatening to create a hard border between the two.

Tonkerbea · 29/01/2021 19:55

bows down to @Titchy

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 29/01/2021 19:58

@titchy

The UK booked Take That to sing at its wedding reception in London.

Three months later the EU booked Take That to sing at Angela's birthday in the same day in Berlin, but several hours later.

Take That said yes to Angela on the basis that they could get a flight in time - which was looking possible on EasyJet. But crucially they also said we'll do our best, but if the flight gets cancelled we won't be able to get there.

EasyJet did cancel the flight so Take That told Angela it couldn't make the gig.

Angela threw her toys out of the pram and demanded the UK cancels Take That singing at its wedding.

The UK told Angela to fuck off.

Angela then told the UK that it wouldn't deliver the UK's wedding dress that was being made in the EU.

Excellent explanation
StealthPolarBear · 29/01/2021 20:00

Surely the UK just needs to go to Angela's birthday party and celebrate both together as one big happy family?
I'll get my coat

titchy · 29/01/2021 20:00
Grin

NI: The UK's sister was going to Berlin for a long weekend, and was planning on doing a bit of shopping. The EU has since banned all UK women from purchasing clothes whilst on holiday in Germany just in case the sister buys the wedding dress and brings it back with her.

Ms Sturgeon doesn't actually like weddings and would prefer to go to Angela's party but hasn't been invited. But she agrees Take That should go to Angela's instead. Hopefully that will yield an invite.

titchy · 29/01/2021 20:01

@StealthPolarBear

Surely the UK just needs to go to Angela's birthday party and celebrate both together as one big happy family? I'll get my coat
GrinGrinGrin
LetItGoGo · 29/01/2021 20:01

Angela doesn't believe easyJet either!

MiaMc · 29/01/2021 20:01

@Marmite27

There’s a twist that a crucial pfizer component is only made in the USA or Yorkshire too....
Ooh, that’s interesting.

Hadn’t heard about this so looked it up to find out more....
www.business-live.co.uk/manufacturing/croda-cracks-vital-vaccine-ingredient-19384154

Frazzled2207 · 29/01/2021 20:03

Brilliant @titchy

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 29/01/2021 20:05

@titchy

Grin

NI: The UK's sister was going to Berlin for a long weekend, and was planning on doing a bit of shopping. The EU has since banned all UK women from purchasing clothes whilst on holiday in Germany just in case the sister buys the wedding dress and brings it back with her.

Ms Sturgeon doesn't actually like weddings and would prefer to go to Angela's party but hasn't been invited. But she agrees Take That should go to Angela's instead. Hopefully that will yield an invite.

And again

Love it

LetItGoGo · 29/01/2021 20:05

Thanks titchy!

MargaretBall · 29/01/2021 20:06

^^Good article from the Irish Times on Wednesday for a slightly different take on the debacle , although out of date re the contracts publication.

“If the vaccines row wasn’t real, Boris Johnson would have to invent it

Europe Letter: The pandemic will not end without international co-operation

An EU demand for vaccines made in factories in Britain fits perfectly into the jingoistic and conflict-focused strain of British reporting on the EU.

An EU demand for vaccines made in factories in Britain fits perfectly into the jingoistic and conflict-focused strain of British reporting on

If a mischievous god wanted to do so deliberately, it would be difficult to engineer a conflict between the European Union and the United Kingdom more embittering than the rivalry over whose citizens should first receive a life-saving vaccination in the midst of a raging pandemic.
The tale is tangled, and obscured by the fact that the contracts signed by pharmaceutical companies are being kept confidential to protect competition.
But AstraZeneca was the EU’s first great hope. It was the first pharmaceutical company with which the bloc signed a contract, back in August, for up to 400 million doses. BioNTech-Pfizer and Moderna surprised the bloc by overtaking AstraZeneca: their vaccines were both granted approval by the European Medicines Agency (EMA) before AstraZeneca even applied on January 12th.
By that stage, many governments had already built their vaccine strategies around the assumption that the British-Swedish company’s vaccines would arrive first. AstraZeneca’s vaccine was more attractive than the others: it was based on a more familiar technology, cheaper, and easier to distribute, as it can be stored in fridges rather than requiring a deep-freeze supply chain.
The supply problems spell deep trouble for those countries – mostly Europe’s more struggling economies – that opted to rely heavily on AstraZeneca. Even more so if the vaccine does not receive approval for those aged over 65 when the EMA decides whether to authorise it on Friday. (A relatively small number of people over 65 took part in the trials of the vaccine, and the EMA has not ruled out that the vaccine could be approved only for younger groups.)
The EU has reacted angrily to a surprise update from the company on Friday that it would deliver the EU only a quarter of the vaccines initially agreed by the end of March. Tensions were stoked further when AstraZeneca chief executive Pascal Soriot claimed EU and UK supply chains for the vaccine are separate, and explained the delay was due to EU dependence on just two factories, one with a production problem. The EU insists its contract named four plants – two of which are located in the UK – and that the EU’s supply should come from these as well.

This row arose in an already febrile atmosphere, in which some political actors in Britain are keen to represent its vaccination head start as a benefit of Brexit, and are glad for opportunities for more antagonism with the EU of the kind that fuelled Johnson’s rise to power.
Already this week, a proposal by the European Commission to require pharmaceutical companies to provide data when vaccines leave the bloc resulted in British front pages claiming the EU was threatening to block the UK’s vaccine supply.
An EU demand for vaccines made in factories in Britain is a tabloid dream, or nightmare, come true. It fits so perfectly into the jingoistic and conflict-focused strain of British reporting on the EU that if it wasn’t true, Johnson would have had to invent it.
Yet here’s a fact that fits awkwardly into that narrative: according to Britain’s vaccine taskforce, its initial supply of AstraZeneca doses were made in the EU, in plants in Germany and the Netherlands.

Like last year’s fight for PPE, the row reveals how toxic competition for scarce resources can be and how quickly it can escalate. And how if all sides act in their own pure self-interest, all are left worse off. If Britain blocked AstraZeneca exports to the EU, the EU could block Pfizer exports to the UK.
Some read in the affair a justification for the EU’s strategy of jointly procuring vaccines, because it’s just a taster of the vicious fight that would have ensued if 27 member states were all competing against each other, with Germany inevitably coming out on top.
But there’s a far larger story than a fight among the world’s richest populations over who gets a vaccine first. The EU has put €500 million towards buying vaccines for poorer countries, but because supply has all been block-booked for the rich nations, that doesn’t translate into doses. As of last week, 39 million doses had been given in richer countries, according to the World Health Organisation. Among poorer countries, just 25.
The WHO has warned that unless doses are equally distributed internationally, new variants may continue to emerge that will make the whole effort fruitless.
“It’s in every nation’s own medium- and long-term interest to support vaccine equity,” WHO director general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus wrote this week. “Until we end the pandemic everywhere, we won’t end it anywhere.”

QueenOfTheDoubleWide · 29/01/2021 20:08

@Fortherosesjoni70

She is wanting transparency.
Only because that transparency may benefit the EU and will piss Boris and the UK off. The link you posted is from a pro-independence website so hardly impartial
AlecTrevelyan006 · 29/01/2021 20:08

www.thenational.scot/news/19050137.fact-check-claim-nicola-sturgeon-taking-eus-side-uk-astrazeneca-row/

LOL

that is the most biased 'fact check' I have ever read. Was it written by the SNP's press officer?

LetItGoGo · 29/01/2021 20:11

I love the National. It's like that ranty, relative you can rely on for the predictable take on events.

I used to read it in the newsagent pre covid. I'd forgotten it so thanks!

Jellykat · 29/01/2021 20:12

Thank you Waspnest Smile

ClinkyMonkey · 29/01/2021 20:17

I'm liking the @titchy versionGrinGrinGrin.

marbellamarc · 29/01/2021 20:18

Yet here’s a fact that fits awkwardly into that narrative: according to Britain’s vaccine taskforce, its initial supply of AstraZeneca doses were made in the EU, in plants in Germany and the Netherlands.

Why is that awkward? I thought the narrative was the EU wanted their contracts fulfilled by breaking others who placed it earlier?
Also there was no issue with Germany securing its own additional doses or stopping PPE to Italy.

SunsetSenora · 29/01/2021 20:21

They also had an issue in Europe with yields - not every production line has the same yield and by chance, the UK ones have been better than those in Europe. Just one of those things.

Crakeandoryx · 29/01/2021 20:27

Titchy that was brilliant! It's lots of the EU throw it's toys out the pram because they want what the UK has. But the reason they don't have it and the UK does is simply the UK ordered 3 months ahead of the EU and now the demand is too high to meet the needs of the EU in the time the EU have stipulated because the EU's manufacturing has failed and they are 3 months behind the UK agreement on a limited supply product. AZ never agreed to definitely meet these demands, it said it would do it's best but can't promise to do it.

So because the EU are having a tantrum over it they've said the Oxford vaccine is substandard (Germany) and the NI borders are now a hard EU border.

The NI boarder part is the interesting spin because that really is the bullying tactic. After years of refusing to do this the EU have now proven that it is possible and they will agree to a hard border when it's good enough for them! The world has watched this and the UK should not respond to the bully but continue with it's plan, keeping quiet and carrying on.

This has nothing to do with the UK because our contract with AZ is independent of the EU's thanks to Brexit. The EU haven't clocked onto this as they're so used to being able to dip in and out of the UK when it's benefited them. Not anymore

Now the EU are going to have to be careful because the Pfizer vaccine has a component that is only made in Yorkshire or the USA so they are reliant on us to fullfil those vaccines as well. Novax is being made in the UK, AZ UK supply is being made in the UK as are other vaccines still being trialled. The demand to cover the EU is huge but they were too slow.

EU want our UK made supply because there is a problem with their AZ manufacturing in Belgium and Norway. Pfizer isn't a practical vaccine.

The EUs behaviour is alarming but unsurprising.