AZ - EU contract published

[Davros]

Breaking news on BBC

And that Macron interview in the Guardian is rather ahem, provocative!

Can you link @Waspnest?

If the EU want a copy of the AZ/UK contract I will send them my copy:

I think I may start investing in companies that manufacture black ink.

@jcyclops

If the EU want a copy of the AZ/UK contract I will send them my copy:

Too funny.

@OuiOuiKitty they haven't actually paid for them yet in full. Real life isn't so cut and dried.

I'll try

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/29/emmanuel-macron-coronavirus-vaccine-exports-eu-controlled

@marbellamarc

Are they on crack? Honestly it's the most logical explanation

Surely the correct MN phrase should be “are they on glue?!”

@Waspnest, many thanks.

This makes for some interesting reading (it’s an article from March 20)

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/coronavirus-vaccine-delays-brexit-ema-expensive

Closing sentence
We are confident that our current close working relationships will continue as we ready ourselves for all eventualities.

Except probably this one

Macron only needs a shopping trolley a week of vaccine anyway.

The ridiculous way France handle getting the jab. First you go for a consultant appointment with your doctor and then you have a second appointment for the vaccination.

It will take forever to vaccinate a whole country with two doses. Also the uptake for the vaccine is pitifully low. Apparently the French people are less keen to have it.

DamnUserName21

And thank you for yours, very interesting.

I should be asleep. Bloody MN.

This is all just nuts. I mean - 2020 was obviously bloody shit. Then, having the looming dare for exit from the EU. Most of us were kind of prepared that Covid numbers would be shit over winter/Christmas.

But I honestly never would have envisaged this scenario 29 days into the new year.

Someone else summed it up further up thread. If nothing else, I’m furious on behalf of Az/Oxford. Commitment to develop/proceed at cost, eventually to be of benefit worldwide. If they are at fault (doubt it) then concerns should be thrashed out between the two parties. The escalation is beyond “jump the shark”.

I’m the last person to defend “pharma” for various personal reasons, but this situation is beyond ridiculous in the way way it’s played out over the last couple of days.

@Furries ImsorryWilsonSorry, am sure this will have been covered loads by the time I get through the thread, but I’m just gobsmacked by the comments I see in various places about it boiling down to money and better offers etc.

It is always about profit. So maybe you need to rethink your own perception?

A contract is a contract no matter when it was signed. It’s not first come first served! You still honour the contract. The best effort clause applied to development stage not post the vaccine being ready. Which scientifically makes sense.

That said I think not sides have behaved like idiots. Neither is innocent.

I’ve been saying for a while that tension is running high. People are very quick to anger at the moment from my experience... but this is a whole new level of anger.

I still can’t quite get my head around the Commission's actions today. It’s barking.

@Cheesecats but its not the uk's fault about the contract that should of all stayed between az and eu and others are reading it different to you , unless it went to someone legally independent it seems we will still get different interpretations
Leta hopes this is the end of it now and effort just goes into upping production all over

@titan89 the az is not for profit though? What do you mean by this do you think it will benefit them in other ways ?

@NoseinBook3 i think this is what being stuck indoors does to us. Most of us are social creatures by nature and its been a long year and we have all been holding on to hope with the vaccines

Astrazenaca are in trouble here. Not the EU, not the UK. They are in breach of contract to one party here, which one or both? The EU have published their contract, it makes sense the UK should/could do the same. Interesting if they don't. They can and should.

Novavax is American, the UK 'gloating' is cringeworthy to watch. American company, developed in the US of A; who got a supply/production chain setup, the UK is a very minor part of that production chain. 1 billion doses to be distributed from the Czech Republic and about the same in India. So does the world have to wait until the Czech Republic completes vaccination of its own and Iikewise India. Propaganda is still rife and even more so now in the UK.

[quote titan89]**@Furries* ImsorryWilsonSorry, am sure this will have been covered loads by the time I get through the thread, but I’m just gobsmacked by the comments I see in various places about it boiling down to money and better offers etc.*

It is always about profit. So maybe you need to rethink your own perception?[/quote]
No, I don’t need to rethink. On various threads, there have been a few posts along the lines of “they had more profitable offers elsewhere”. I’m obviously paraphrasing, but that was the clear gist of some posts.

That sentiment is NOT true. Oxford developed the vaccine and they made it clear from the outset that their aim was to, eventually, make the vaccine worldwide with no profit.

They obviously had to partner with a pharma company to upscale production. AZ were the company they went with. AZ had to agree that vaccines were produced and distributed at cost. AZ won’t be making huge profits from this endeavour - but the pay-off for them in the long-term is how they could be viewed in the financial markets.

So yes, profit in the long term is possible for them (basically via good publicity) - but there is no chance that during the pandemic any vaccines are being sent elsewhere for profit. None of the contracts will be based on extracting more profit from elsewhere.

The Oxford team (and therefore AZ) were the only ones at the start of the vaccine race saying that this was not about money/profit. However this pans out over the coming days, I’m gutted on their behalf. They have been dragged, very publicly, through the mud for trying, in a very short space of time, to hopefully get us all some way out of this mess.

Maybe take a fresh look at your own perception.

@lighteincastlewindow

Novavax is American, the UK 'gloating' is cringeworthy to watch. American company, developed in the US of A; who got a supply/production chain setup, the UK is a very minor part of that production chain. 1 billion doses to be distributed from the Czech Republic and about the same in India. So does the world have to wait until the Czech Republic completes vaccination of its own and Iikewise India. Propaganda is still rife and even more so now in the UK.

Your post really doesn’t make any sense.

Astrazenaca are in trouble here. Not the EU, not the UK. They are in breach of contract to one party here, which one or both? The EU have published their contract, it makes sense the UK should/could do the same.

Nope, it's an AZ-EU issue. UK not required to release their contract, legally or otherwise.

Novavax is American, the UK 'gloating' is cringeworthy to watch. American company, developed in the US of A; who got a supply/production chain setup, the UK is a very minor part of that production chain.

Yes, it is a US company working in collaboration with the UK govt. Hence, the research trials based on UK and SA data. Oh, and the UK is part of ITS OWN supply chain. It'll be producing it's own antigen. I'll let you google the term.

ir.novavax.com/news-releases/news-release-details/novavax-and-uk-government-announce-collaboration-and-purchase

Nope, it's an AZ-EU issue. UK not required to release their contract, legally or otherwise.

Research trials are based in a region where any relevant disease is quite prolific. No point in doing a research trial for Covid-19 in Vietnam for example.

The Uk don't have to release their contract, but in not releasing it, it speaks as much and bolsters the case for fair distribution.

Novavax is a US company who DEVELOPED AN AMERICAN VACCINE not in collaboration, by themselves as an American company and procured supply chain sites including a minor one in Teeside RUN BY a Japanese company. Who gets first dibs there? The UK squirrels I guess.

Looks like the EU have backed down on their threats. Wise move but too late. I think the scales may have fallen from quite a few people's eyes over this.

Its just compounded the EU humiliation and shone a torchlight on their inability to manage the whole vaccination programme in a speedy and efficient way. Instead of taking the criticism on the chin and working to fix it, they thrash around angrily looking to dump the blame at someone else's door and what better scapegoat than the UK?

What spectacular own goal this has been.