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AZ - EU contract published

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Davros · 29/01/2021 11:17

Breaking news on BBC

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cyclingmad · 29/01/2021 23:03

@donewithitalltodayandxmas

On another note do you think boris is being shut in number 10 so he can't say too much . Its one of those situations it seems where minimal words seem best for now
He is far too busy negotiating and buying new vaccines.
Baileysforchristmas · 29/01/2021 23:03

Yes finally the UK may come together, well done EU, well except for Nicola Sturgen, I feel her time maybe coming to an end😊

MissConductUS · 29/01/2021 23:04

[quote FOJN]**@MissConductUS

Most of the WSJ article is behind a paywall, would you posting the whole thing here?[/quote]
Happy to oblige.

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Europe’s Self-Defeating Vaccine Fight
The EU blows its rollout and blames a pharmaceutical firm.

By The Editorial Board
Jan. 28, 2021 4:11 pm ET

As the European Union fumbles its vaccine rollout, officials in Brussels are looking for villains. They think they’ve found one in vaccine-maker AstraZeneca.

Rather than letting countries negotiate their own vaccine contracts, the European Commission handled procurement for the entire bloc in the name of solidarity. Brussels botched the process, and now the union’s members are lagging together.

Europe, the U.S. and U.K. have orders or options for roughly the same number of doses per capita. But the U.S. and U.K. moved faster to secure contracts, which made it easier for pharmaceutical companies to prepare. Washington and London also spent about seven times as much on development, production and procurement per person, according to the British analytics firm Airfinity. Some U.S. states face distribution challenges like many European countries, but American and British regulators approved vaccines faster than their EU counterparts.

The results are already clear. By our deadline Thursday, the U.K. had administered doses to more than 11% of residents, while the U.S. was approaching 8%. Denmark was a European success story at 3.7%, while France and Sweden languished around 2%.

This hasn’t inspired much reflection in Brussels. EU mandarins spent this week admonishing AstraZeneca after the firm announced that issues with production at a European factory meant it would delivers tens of millions of doses fewer than expected this quarter. The European Commission ordered a raid on AstraZeneca’s production site in Belgium on Wednesday.

“Europe at the time wanted to be supplied more or less at the same time as the U.K., even though the contract was signed three months later,” AstraZeneca chief Pascal Soriot told an Italian newspaper this week. “So we said, ‘OK, we’re going to do our best, we’re going to try, but we cannot commit contractually because we are three months behind the U.K.’”

EU health commissioner Stella Kyriakides said the contract requires that vaccines be diverted from U.K. factories to Europe. The company should publish the agreement and let the public judge who is telling the truth. But this ugly episode is a good advertisement for Brexit.

By the way, London gave its go-ahead for the AstraZeneca vaccine in December. German officials ruled Thursday that the vaccine shouldn’t be given to those over age 64, and an EU decision isn’t expected until Friday.

Brussels soon will give national governments the power to block millions of vaccine doses from being exported from Europe. Such restrictions will certainly backfire, as other countries retaliate against Europe and complex supply chains fall apart.

Brussels is demonstrating its unique knack for self-foot-shooting by transforming its crisis of vaccine incompetence into deeper economic harm. The EU’s paramount challenge after the pandemic ebbs will be to revive economic growth despite decades of policy mismanagement. Yet nothing says “closed for business” like harassing companies that provide life-saving medical treatments.

3asAbird · 29/01/2021 23:07

Newsnight interesting as maybe future problem.
Interveiw with Spain.
Johnson and Johnson vaccine once approved with be made in Switzerland non eu fine but packaged in Spain.
Spain claim they wouldn't withhold export if this vaccine providing the relevant pharmaceutical company honours its commitments.
Might this make Johnson and Johnson repackage outside of Europe?

marbellamarc · 29/01/2021 23:07

thanks

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 29/01/2021 23:16

[quote Hazelnutlatteplease]@marbellamarc

not everyone can get the vaccine though despite being vulnerable.

You really dont need to tell me that. We are living it. DS is critically vulnerable and under 16. All I hope at the moment is that if he needs hospitalization theres beds available.

Herd Immunity is hopefully for the future. NHS now.

Good news on article 16[/quote]
Did you hear what Van Tam said the other day? Vulnerable kids will be able to get the vaccine off label. Their doctor will talk to parents about it eventually.

Just thought I would say in case you didn't know😊

Hazelnutlatteplease · 29/01/2021 23:21

Thank you. The GP is currently trying to talk to the hospital consultants about DS. I have hopes, everyday they dont say no is a good day. But given how busy the GPs are and the fact it's not clear which of DS' consultants would actually be the one to authorise it, its threatening to be an almighty headache. Isreal are vaccinating vulnerable children so there may even be data soon.

FOJN · 29/01/2021 23:28

MissConductUS

Thank you

It's a good article, they seem to have done their research.

Baileysforchristmas · 29/01/2021 23:32

I wonder if the EU, when they calm down, will climb down off their high horse and ask the UK for help because even after all this we would.

QueenOfTheDoubleWide · 29/01/2021 23:40

@donewithitalltodayandxmas

On another note do you think boris is being shut in number 10 so he can't say too much . Its one of those situations it seems where minimal words seem best for now
So true! Sky News just said "Trump has gone and Macron has picked up the baton". They all seem to do better by saying less
Floppywin · 29/01/2021 23:41

Yes, we can certainly help with how to increase production lines and deployment - they could politely ask for some insight on where they're going wrong. Starting with an apology and saying they've fucked up and can we help as we are 3 months ahead of where they'd like to also be.

donewithitalltodayandxmas · 29/01/2021 23:52

@QueenOfTheDoubleWide could you imagine if trump was still in and what may of been tweeted
Im really not sure how I feel about mp's / presidents tweeting but prob just shows my age

donewithitalltodayandxmas · 29/01/2021 23:57

@cyclingmad tbf thats the thing they have done well but supposedly he has also spoke to them

OuiOuiKitty · 29/01/2021 23:57

What does the EU want to achieve from all this? ... What is their end goal?

To get the vaccines that they have paid for? How is that not obvious?

donewithitalltodayandxmas · 29/01/2021 23:58

@OuiOuiKitty but they will be getting it ?

donewithitalltodayandxmas · 29/01/2021 23:58

@OuiOuiKitty and why did they have to drag the uk into it? It wasn't our contract

Boulshired · 30/01/2021 00:01

The EU have themselves managed to overshadow the contract being printed, that feels like it was last week and not today.

marbellamarc · 30/01/2021 00:11

To get the vaccines that they have paid for? How is that not obvious?

😆

Floppywin · 30/01/2021 00:15

@marbellamarc
I don't think Homer Simpson himself could have come up with a better line than that...!

marbellamarc · 30/01/2021 00:18

🤣

Furries · 30/01/2021 00:24

@sadie9

I strongly suspect this is about money. AZ realised they had a valuable commodity and decided they weren't charging enough for it. Hence call a shortage and then charge for accelerated supply. It's the oldest trick in the book. Especially if it turned out that an extra dose could be got from the vials. Who knows. This EU robbing the UK is likely a smokescreen to distract everyone from the real fire burning somewhere else.
Only just catching up today, but this is one of the daftest comments I’ve seen on various threads.

Th3 Oxford/AZ vaccine is not-for-profit. This was clearly stated, by the Oxford team at the beginning, as being very important. That the main aim was to EVENTUALLY have affordable doses for everyone worldwide.

Sorry, am sure this will have been covered loads by the time I get through the thread, but I’m just gobsmacked by the comments I see in various places about it boiling down to money and better offers etc.

Sharon007 · 30/01/2021 00:25

@marbellamarc

To get the vaccines that they have paid for? How is that not obvious?

😆

😂
MissConductUS · 30/01/2021 00:42

I've just realized that in MN terms, the EU are being a bunch of vaccine CF's! What's yours is mine and all that. Jabzillas, the lot of them. 😁

jcyclops · 30/01/2021 00:55

If the EU want a copy of the AZ/UK contract I will send them my copy:

AZ - EU contract published
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