There's another vaccine! And we've got 60 million shots! And it's made here!

[HelloThereMeHearties]

And it's effective against the new UK variant!

And it will really wind the EU up!!!

Novavax has passed its stage three trial, now hopefully the MHRA will approve it!!!

Good point. And we are now going to help other countries around the world with genome sequencing the virus.

@veeeeh

Well done to UK for vaccinating so many. But honestly the exceptionalism and hubris is disgusting IMV. Get the flags out and sing Rule Brittania.

Think of others now and then, thanks.

And you will of course be criticising the EU for trying to put their people first at our expense? For thinking only EU members matter.

Unfortunately OP, it is the EU it's citizens will be railing against

Nothing could be fairer; if the citizens have a problem with it, it's their right to bring it up and demand action

And good luck to them with that ... as you suggest, this could well be the trigger for their manic project falling apart

@Avondklok

The EU want AZ to honour their contract as they paid! It's nowt to do with Brexit and all that shit.

The EU are sabre rattling because they need to blame anyone else but themselves for the shitshow they've created. AZ haven't broken their contract. This will become apparent when Italy discovers that they can shout all they want, but there's no point suinig.

@Avondklok

The EU want AZ to honour their contract as they paid! It's nowt to do with Brexit and all that shit.

Maybe their lawyers should have discreetly taken that up with AZ then, rather than throwing their toys from the pram?

And the contract very likely includes a clause saying that supplies could be constrained by commitments to other clients. Since Britain signed its contract with AZ 3 months earlier, they obviously take precedence. The EU has been very slow to react throughout this crisis, but that's typical.

Honestly. I give up with Daily Mail reading idiots.

And it will really wind the EU up!!!

What a stupid remark.

The whole thing problem with the eu is that it can't ever move swiftly enough to put its citizens first!.. Every time a crisis comes along.... It shows this..

How many more catastrophic events will the people on the continent endure... What are the benefits?

As for Novavax, the entire UK supply will be made here

True, but as I mentioned on the full thread it appears some of the components are being made in the EU

I'm just a bit worried, if that's the case, that they could prevent them being exported to the UK out of bloody mindedness

@Justthebeerlighttoguide

Unfortunately op, it is the eu it's citizens will be railing against. I'm getting the same feeling, infact I had it days ago... When I saw the awful footage of pilot George Floyd... I knew in the first seconds it was going to blow.

It was totally right of course that there world got angry.. But it's going to erupt in the eu if they don't pull their fingers out.

Maybe it needs this, erupt and collapse or erupt and do away with nation states, the pm s will be figure heads only... Like our Queen and eu will totally rule.

We have close relatives living in the eu and I'm telling you now... This has brought things into a very very sharp focus.

Has it? You think there will be appetite for more exits?

I must say, I am not surprised that such a large bureaucracy is less efficient - but could they have ordered earlier? Very hard to extract the truth.

Everyone is framing this in EU vs U.K light which is not accurate. The EU are not throwing their toys out. they have a contract and have invested money in U.K. manufacturing which has allowed U.K. to get their vaccines. When the EU wants their vaccines AZ are now breaching the contract.

@borntobequiet

And it will really wind the EU up!!!

What a stupid remark.

Let me be clear, when I say "the EU", I mean the tossers at the top. Not their poor citizens, who are the ones suffering from the shitshow.

@Avondklok

Everyone is framing this in EU vs U.K light which is not accurate. The EU are not throwing their toys out. they have a contract and have invested money in U.K. manufacturing which has allowed U.K. to get their vaccines. When the EU wants their vaccines AZ are now breaching the contract.

Have you seen the contract?

You haven't, have you?

@Avondklok

Everyone is framing this in EU vs U.K light which is not accurate. The EU are not throwing their toys out. they have a contract and have invested money in U.K. manufacturing which has allowed U.K. to get their vaccines. When the EU wants their vaccines AZ are now breaching the contract.

I thought you'd gone?

But since you're still here, the EU made it about the UK.

Every large overblown organisation struggles, we've seen it across soviet union, large corporations etc..

It doesn't work, can't and never has.

I am so impressed by UK pharmaceuticals. I didn't know how world leading they were.

I thought you'd gone?

In my experience, posters who make a big show of flouncing out always come back for more.

Posters who actually intend to leave a discussion usually do so quietly.

The shitshow is the U.K. at the moment with its awful death toll. You know there are sovereign countries in EU which each have their own rules.

@Avondklok

Everyone is framing this in EU vs U.K light which is not accurate. The EU are not throwing their toys out. they have a contract and have invested money in U.K. manufacturing which has allowed U.K. to get their vaccines. When the EU wants their vaccines AZ are now breaching the contract.

I mean, you're just making it up now, aren't you? We invested in the UK production. The EU has their own production facilities. Which they couldn't work on because the EU didn't sign the contracts.

They haven't even approved the vaccine yet!

I've had it, I was on the trial and unblinded as offered Phizer. X

@Wishitsnows

I am so impressed by UK pharmaceuticals. I didn't know how world leading they were.

Yes indeed they are, and the MHRA is one of the top organisations in the world for approving drugs. Lots of other countries use it. It's why the EU drug authority, the EMA, was in London - but now they've moved away after Brexit, you see how they flounder without it.

@Avondklok

The US and the UK also invested in AZ. Both very significantly earlier than the EU did. Both have invested very significantly more per head of population than the EU did.

AZ is clear that the contract was on a 'best efforts' basis and there is no breach. Will that be sustained in court? Who knows. The contract is not in the public domain and, even if it were, I'm no lawyer. But it's far from clear that any breach has occurred.

The EU are the ones framing it in a EU v UK light, by insisting that UK supply, ordered well in advance of the EU supply, be diverted to them.

The reality is that the EU got in the game late and put up a proportionately low stake. Which is now resulting in a lower level of and slower vaccine delivery.

And still the EU has not actually approved the Oxford vaccine.

@Spud13

I've had it, I was on the trial and unblinded as offered Phizer. X

Ooooooh, get you!!!

Thanks for this thread OP - a small ray of light!

@IcedPurple

I thought you'd gone?

In my experience, posters who make a big show of flouncing out always come back for more.

Posters who actually intend to leave a discussion usually do so quietly.

Ha ha, so true!