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The EARLIEST schools will open is 8th March!!!

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dingledongle · 27/01/2021 17:21

I cannot believe this!

Stunned!

My kids have lost one year of school and are going to be paying for this for decades to come Sad

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ElliFAntspoo · 29/01/2021 15:24

@dingledongle

I cannot believe this!

Stunned!

My kids have lost one year of school and are going to be paying for this for decades to come Sad

No they haven't lost 1 year of school unless they've sat around and done nothing for a year. Yes, they may have lost 1 year of socialisation. And no, they will not be paying for it at all in the future. Unless your kids have no interests in life, and no interest in learning, are in any way criminally minder, and are happy to just sit around a house all day - Unless that describes your kids, which I very much doubt it does, I'd put money on your kids doing just fine.

The next 20 years are going to be the most staggeringly exciting time to be moving into careers. The opportunities are virtually endless now, and the threshold for entry into the vocations that are going to move the world forward have never been lower.

ElliFAntspoo · 29/01/2021 16:36

[quote Whyarewehardofthinking]**@Hmm12121* and @ElliFAntspoo*

Please not I mentioned equivalent qualifications, as obviously these exist. But you still need to have formal education qualifications to enter these, whatever they are. You need to demonstrate a particular level of ability, which you can do in multiple ways via several different routes. All are still formal education with recognised certification to prove so.

Also, we don't get trained in doing the whole UCAS thing, we just have to do it.[/quote]
So a child with no GCSEs or A levels, who's education has been decimated by school closured, who will be suffering for the next decade if OP is to be believed, can apply to sit a foundation course to go into medicine, and then apply to university to get a degree in a medical field.

I agree that there are some jobs that require a university degree.
I disagree with those people who think kids need GCSEs or A levels to succeed in life.
I disagree with those people who think you need qualifications to get jobs (with the exception of maybe 1% of jobs in this country) and less abroad.
I fundamentally disagree with the notion that success in life has anything to do with academic qualification or the amount of salary you get.

But the whole notion that my child is doomed and will suffer in life because they don't get to go to school is preposterous. It is both ignorant and selfish as well.

DarthKaren · 29/01/2021 17:21

What is the point of them going back for 2 weeks and then off for Easter

bumbleymummy · 29/01/2021 17:29

“ can apply to sit a foundation course to go into medicine, and then apply to university to get a degree in a medical field.”

Where? We’re still waiting for you to tell us which foundation medical courses accept candidates with no GCSEs/a-levels or equivalent. ‘Somewhere in England’ isn’t an answer.

Nearly47 · 29/01/2021 17:35

During November and December there always one of the kids isolating either to contact at school or football. I was getting anxious they'd bring it home to me and DH who is overweight and has some health issues that would put him at a higher risk category. I am not at all worried for their education. They will catch up. I worry about poor children and single mums because it must be so much harder but also if they caught it would be much worse for their children. So better to keep schools closed until all the over 50s are vaccinated and the prevalence of the virus is much lower. I was think after easter if everything goes to plan with the vaccination

CluelessDIY · 29/01/2021 18:40

@DarthKaren

What is the point of them going back for 2 weeks and then off for Easter
8th March I four weeks before Easter in Leeds.
bingandflop · 29/01/2021 19:05

And in Kent

ElliFAntspoo · 29/01/2021 19:18

... until the next set of estimated figures show that they have to go back on those days and it'll be after Easter. Time will tell, but I was always told not to count my chickens before they hatch.

peak2021 · 29/01/2021 19:47

@ElliFAntspoo I agree with your response to something I thought was being over-dramatic. I wish we could stop exaggerated language.

I would also not be certain all children will go back on 8 March, though progress with the vaccine and the lower rates of infection make me hopeful.

@DarthKaren if it is two weeks I still think it will be valuable for re-establishing the discipline of the school day and things such as getting ready for school, and the socialisation. I think many parents will appreciate it too!

Dustyboots · 29/01/2021 19:53

If someone 10 years out of school was still putting their GCSE's on their CV

But our kids will only just have left school - without GCSE’s. Why do you say 10 years @ElliFAntspoo?

ElliFAntspoo · 29/01/2021 20:43

@Dustyboots

If someone 10 years out of school was still putting their GCSE's on their CV

But our kids will only just have left school - without GCSE’s. Why do you say 10 years @ElliFAntspoo?

Because if you've been in work for 10 years and you haven't achieved enough to justify someone else employing you without saying, 'look, I once sat in a classroom and did good in History when I was 16.' then what you're really saying is, 'look, I haven't managed to distinguish myself over the past 10 years, so the odds of me distinguishing my self while you pay me are practically nil.'

10 years into your working life, you should be good at something and be able to prove it without referring to what you were like in school.

DenisetheMenace · 29/01/2021 21:12

Tubs11

It will be fine, kids are resilient and will bounce back. I say this as someone who's teacher was absolutely useless when I was 9/10 and I turned out fine. It's exhausting but summer will be here before you know it and that first day they go back will feel like a holiday/massage“

Agree. My mum fundraised for many years for a Masai village.
When we’ve felt defeated at various points in the past year, she has talked to me about her experiences in 5 countries on the continent over several decades. Her last visit was 6 years ago. It may have changed in the villages since then of course but I don’t imagine by a great deal.

Millions of children walk upwards (sometimes WAY upwards) of an hour each way to school, many with ill fitting, donated shoes, still many with no shoes at all. When they arrive, they study in temperatures of 40+ degrees in what most of us would consider a glorified garden shed. Many schools without sponsors are using maps/texts at least 30 years out of date and the kids use slateboard and chalk because they can’t access paper, pencils and rarest of all pens. They eat a can of Maize porridge, root vegetable or cows/goats milk/blood midday depending on their locality, relieve themselves in latrines in the dirt before making the return journey home when the sun is still high, most schools in session 7am - noon. The children are without exception keen to attend and grateful for the opportunities their education may afford them.

When they arrive home, they’re thirsty. Thankfully, many villages now have a clean water supply but lots still don’t. If their parents don’t have fuel to boil water they risk their health every time they quench their thirst. They spend the afternoon doing family chores which include in Masai villages herding goats and precious cattle. Every year, in 2021, multiple young children lose their lives to lion attack. Not Rice-Burroughs but reality, now. Come evening, the few that have the tools (rare and it’s it’s books) study by intermittent electricity, mobile phone light (astonishingly to me, Masai have cel phones but can’t generally afford to access the internet) kerosene or paraffin lamps with their attendant health issues, or even fire light (if their locality allows access to natural fuel).
They sleep on a mat on a dirt floor, under a mosquito net if they are very fortunate, before rising at 5am to start the process over again. This is their life, year after year after year.
I have never visited the continent, frankly I don’t think I could handle it, which I’ve told my mum again and again. She tells me that in Kenya, Tanzania, Rwanda, Zambia and Mozambique the children are the happiest, upbeat and open to the world children she has ever met.
Now, I think that kids (anyone, really) are still living like that, now, in their millions, is diabolical. I’m certainly not saying that what our kids are going through now is therefore of no consequence, because it’s not what we or they are used to or, rightly, expect.
But my mum’s point is that, horrendous though all of that is by our standards, many children in all of these countries go on, in spite, to become doctors, scientists, teachers, lawyers, writers, artists, musicians, actors .......
African children’s lives, barring miracles, will go on like this for probably decades. Ours won’t because this is an exceptional time in their lifetimes. When this is over, counselling and help will be on hand and it will be widely recognised what the past two (hopefully!) year’s cohorts have been through. Allowances will be made and we are, thankfully, in a society where they will recover.

Sorry for the sermon: it’s worth thinking about though (my mum says 😁)

campion · 30/01/2021 15:50

@DenisetheMenace

Tubs11

It will be fine, kids are resilient and will bounce back. I say this as someone who's teacher was absolutely useless when I was 9/10 and I turned out fine. It's exhausting but summer will be here before you know it and that first day they go back will feel like a holiday/massage“

Agree. My mum fundraised for many years for a Masai village.
When we’ve felt defeated at various points in the past year, she has talked to me about her experiences in 5 countries on the continent over several decades. Her last visit was 6 years ago. It may have changed in the villages since then of course but I don’t imagine by a great deal.

Millions of children walk upwards (sometimes WAY upwards) of an hour each way to school, many with ill fitting, donated shoes, still many with no shoes at all. When they arrive, they study in temperatures of 40+ degrees in what most of us would consider a glorified garden shed. Many schools without sponsors are using maps/texts at least 30 years out of date and the kids use slateboard and chalk because they can’t access paper, pencils and rarest of all pens. They eat a can of Maize porridge, root vegetable or cows/goats milk/blood midday depending on their locality, relieve themselves in latrines in the dirt before making the return journey home when the sun is still high, most schools in session 7am - noon. The children are without exception keen to attend and grateful for the opportunities their education may afford them.

When they arrive home, they’re thirsty. Thankfully, many villages now have a clean water supply but lots still don’t. If their parents don’t have fuel to boil water they risk their health every time they quench their thirst. They spend the afternoon doing family chores which include in Masai villages herding goats and precious cattle. Every year, in 2021, multiple young children lose their lives to lion attack. Not Rice-Burroughs but reality, now. Come evening, the few that have the tools (rare and it’s it’s books) study by intermittent electricity, mobile phone light (astonishingly to me, Masai have cel phones but can’t generally afford to access the internet) kerosene or paraffin lamps with their attendant health issues, or even fire light (if their locality allows access to natural fuel).
They sleep on a mat on a dirt floor, under a mosquito net if they are very fortunate, before rising at 5am to start the process over again. This is their life, year after year after year.
I have never visited the continent, frankly I don’t think I could handle it, which I’ve told my mum again and again. She tells me that in Kenya, Tanzania, Rwanda, Zambia and Mozambique the children are the happiest, upbeat and open to the world children she has ever met.
Now, I think that kids (anyone, really) are still living like that, now, in their millions, is diabolical. I’m certainly not saying that what our kids are going through now is therefore of no consequence, because it’s not what we or they are used to or, rightly, expect.
But my mum’s point is that, horrendous though all of that is by our standards, many children in all of these countries go on, in spite, to become doctors, scientists, teachers, lawyers, writers, artists, musicians, actors .......
African children’s lives, barring miracles, will go on like this for probably decades. Ours won’t because this is an exceptional time in their lifetimes. When this is over, counselling and help will be on hand and it will be widely recognised what the past two (hopefully!) year’s cohorts have been through. Allowances will be made and we are, thankfully, in a society where they will recover.

Sorry for the sermon: it’s worth thinking about though (my mum says 😁)

That's really interesting Denise and it does no harm to remind ourselves how truly fortunate we mostly are. I'm a bit disconcerted by the constant reference to children's 'mental health ' being damaged by the current situation. It's not ideal but it's not forever. Telling them their mental health is going to deteriorate is in danger of becoming a self fulfilling prophecy ; there seems to be a lot of glib references to 'mental health' without ever explaining further.

If you've ever had a child with serious mental health problems, it's not usually been caused by a few months off school/ learning at home. Indeed some children's problems can be related to actually being at school.

ElliFAntspoo · 30/01/2021 21:46

It does no harm to remind ourselves how truly fortunate we mostly are.
I suppose if you've never lived in other countries, you have a really skewed value system and no real way of knowing just how rich you are. If you earn the national average wage in this country, that puts you in the top 2.5% of earners in this country. If your spread that income over two adults and two children, that still puts you in the top 12% earners in the world.

Yet all we see is people complaining and playing the victim card, whining that they don't get given what they feel entitled to.

I am amazed that there is a faux 'woke' wannabe culture developing in Britain, and none of these 'wokers' have a clue what the real world is like. Maybe this pandemic will help people learn the value of education and the value of work, and stem the entitlement culture, but I doubt it. I think we'll just see more and more selfish behaviour buoyed on by MSM consumers.

ElliFAntspoo · 30/01/2021 23:31

That was meant to read if you earn the national average wage in this country that puts you in the top 2.5% of earners in the world.

GrannyRose15 · 21/02/2021 19:48

Unfortunately a lot of people on this site have confused teaching with education. The two are not synonymous. Children are taught a lot of skills in school but there is often not much education going on. Education is about taking what you have been taught and using it, it helps you learn to think for yourself. it helps you to make connections across disciplines, it makes you into a rounded person. An educated person is one who can deal with very many different situations and effect an good outcome.

There has been lots of opportunity during lockdown to educate our children, or in my case my grandchildren, and it's not about sitting them down and working through a worksheet, although this can be a good starting point.

It was very sad to hear of parents who complained that their children were being given a snow day instead or formal lessons. So much can be learnt from playing in the snow - science, art, physical development, maths - the list goes on. But it takes time and effort on the part of parents and carers to get the most out of the world around them.

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