The EARLIEST schools will open is 8th March!!!

[dingledongle]

I cannot believe this!

Stunned!

My kids have lost one year of school and are going to be paying for this for decades to come

There are universities that offer foundation courses for entry into medical degree to students with no formal highschool qualifications.

They admit students without Eng/Maths/Sci (or international equivalent) level 2 qualifications do they? 😏

There are universities that offer foundation courses for entry into medical degree to students with no formal highschool qualifications.

Where?

Goodbye2020Hello2021, Yes some universities accept students without Level 2 qualifications; children who are home educated, children who have missed exams for whatever reasons, mature students, I could go on.

As for all the reasons why schools can't allow children to retake this last year, it's all nonsense. Children are required to begin full time education from the term AFTER their 5th birthday. Nowadays children are beginning school in the September in the year in which they will be 4 (so some children will still be 3 throughout their school year).

If the school population retake this year, all that they need to do is to go back to admitting children in the year in which they will be 5!, therefore during the legally required date. In other words whole schools quite literally stays still. Any schooling that happens between when they return and the end of the school year could focus on the work missed last year.

@SallyB392

Goodbye2020Hello2021, Yes some universities accept students without Level 2 qualifications; children who are home educated, children who have missed exams for whatever reasons, mature students, I could go on.

As for all the reasons why schools can't allow children to retake this last year, it's all nonsense. Children are required to begin full time education from the term AFTER their 5th birthday. Nowadays children are beginning school in the September in the year in which they will be 4 (so some children will still be 3 throughout their school year).

If the school population retake this year, all that they need to do is to go back to admitting children in the year in which they will be 5!, therefore during the legally required date. In other words whole schools quite literally stays still. Any schooling that happens between when they return and the end of the school year could focus on the work missed last year.

Except not every child wants or needs to repeat this year. Why should they have to?

@bumbleymummy

There are universities that offer foundation courses for entry into medical degree to students with no formal highschool qualifications.

Where?

Some PO BOX ‘university’ above a chip shop in central London maybe?

ROFLMAO.
How many of us believe what the Government says?

Sorry, that was in response to the Govt statement as to the value of formal education.

Except not every child wants or needs to repeat this year. Why should they have to?
They shouldn't have to. We should have freedom of choice in this country.

@bumbleymummy

There are universities that offer foundation courses for entry into medical degree to students with no formal highschool qualifications.

Where?

There are a few down in England somewhere. No where you'd ever of heard of. Try phoning around.

Or ask your home-schooling friends. They know exactly how education system in this country works.

I am a home educator myself. I don’t need to phone around - I have my qualifications and my children are working towards theirs. If you actually don’t know any specific universities that offer this then maybe you shouldn’t be trying to speak with such authority on the matter.

There are a few down in England somewhere. No where you'd ever of heard of. Try phoning around.

Okay 🤪
(I think I guessed in my last post)

@ElliFAntspoo There are universities that offer foundation courses for entry into medical degree to students with no formal highschool qualifications.

No, there are not. I lead our 6th form and I am the one sending off UCAS applications as a Science teacher, so I have spent time trawling through nearly every univeristy and their science courses. They do not; some places accept equivalent courses, but they are still formal education qualifications. And I am even talking about the universities that offer the foundation degrees to students who do not get AAA or do BTEC qualifications. These students also still need to prove their GCSE (or equivalent) qualifications.

Hell I still have to prove my GCSE qualifications for every job I go for despite having 3 science a levels, a science degree and a Masters in addition to teaching for longer than I care to admit.

[quote Whyarewehardofthinking]**@ElliFAntspoo* There are universities that offer foundation courses for entry into medical degree to students with no formal highschool qualifications.*

No, there are not. I lead our 6th form and I am the one sending off UCAS applications as a Science teacher, so I have spent time trawling through nearly every univeristy and their science courses. They do not; some places accept equivalent courses, but they are still formal education qualifications. And I am even talking about the universities that offer the foundation degrees to students who do not get AAA or do BTEC qualifications. These students also still need to prove their GCSE (or equivalent) qualifications.

Hell I still have to prove my GCSE qualifications for every job I go for despite having 3 science a levels, a science degree and a Masters in addition to teaching for longer than I care to admit.[/quote]
Exactly!

[quote Whyarewehardofthinking]**@ElliFAntspoo* There are universities that offer foundation courses for entry into medical degree to students with no formal highschool qualifications.*

No, there are not. I lead our 6th form and I am the one sending off UCAS applications as a Science teacher, so I have spent time trawling through nearly every univeristy and their science courses. They do not; some places accept equivalent courses, but they are still formal education qualifications. And I am even talking about the universities that offer the foundation degrees to students who do not get AAA or do BTEC qualifications. These students also still need to prove their GCSE (or equivalent) qualifications.

Hell I still have to prove my GCSE qualifications for every job I go for despite having 3 science a levels, a science degree and a Masters in addition to teaching for longer than I care to admit.[/quote]
Lol. Are you saying that there are no medical foundation courses that accept students without GCSEs? Or are you saying there are no universities that accept students with foundation courses and no A-levels, or both?

Or are you saying you only know about the access channels for study into university that you have been trained to tell people about?

Hell I still have to prove my GCSE qualifications for every job I go for despite having 3 science a levels, a science degree and a Masters in addition to teaching for longer than I care to admit.
I'm an engineer and I have never had to prove my qualifications to get a job in my life. But then, when you can stand in front of someone and prove your ability, you do not need to have their underlings tick boxes on forms for validation. I've worked all over the world. The world outside of academia, quangos and Government funded entities does not work that way.

If someone 10 years out of school was still putting their GCSE's on their CV, I'd be wondering why I they were even applying to me for a job. I'd be more inclined to give it to someone who sent me a CV listing his accomplishments in the real world.

“ I'm an engineer and I have never had to prove my qualifications to get a job in my life. ”

Really? Did you go to university? How did you get your first engineering job? Did you have to fill in an application form for it?

I’m a teacher and still had to take my GSCE certificates to my most recent job interview!

[quote Whyarewehardofthinking]**@ElliFAntspoo* There are universities that offer foundation courses for entry into medical degree to students with no formal highschool qualifications.*

No, there are not. I lead our 6th form and I am the one sending off UCAS applications as a Science teacher, so I have spent time trawling through nearly every univeristy and their science courses. They do not; some places accept equivalent courses, but they are still formal education qualifications. And I am even talking about the universities that offer the foundation degrees to students who do not get AAA or do BTEC qualifications. These students also still need to prove their GCSE (or equivalent) qualifications.

Hell I still have to prove my GCSE qualifications for every job I go for despite having 3 science a levels, a science degree and a Masters in addition to teaching for longer than I care to admit.[/quote]
I wouldn't want to comment on medical degrees as I have no idea about those but I can tell you that children and older young adults are able to enter universities without formal qualifications because multiple children I know have done so. You may be the leader of your six form but that alone is why you will not know of the allowances that may be made for others who have not gone or been able to do the traditional route. You wouldn't need to know about those individuals because it doesn't impact you and your students. Of course all the uni websites will only talk about the quals and grades required because that is the route most take.

@Howshouldibehave

I’m a teacher and still had to take my GSCE certificates to my most recent job interview!

That's a pretty damning indictment of our the recruitment in our education system IMO.

@ElliFAntspoo I thought it was bizarre! I expected to have to take my PGCE certificate and evidence of QTS, and maybe degree certificate, but needing to prove anything prior to that seemed a bit odd!

@bumbleymummy

“ I'm an engineer and I have never had to prove my qualifications to get a job in my life. ”

Really? Did you go to university? How did you get your first engineering job? Did you have to fill in an application form for it?

Lol. I stated off selling kitchens after I left school and worked my way up from there. The only country in the world I have ever worked in where you have to have a degree in order to work, was China, but there are work arounds. If the company really wants you, they employ you from their UK arm and then just plonk you in a hotel.

@Hmm12121 and @ElliFAntspoo

Please not I mentioned equivalent qualifications, as obviously these exist. But you still need to have formal education qualifications to enter these, whatever they are. You need to demonstrate a particular level of ability, which you can do in multiple ways via several different routes. All are still formal education with recognised certification to prove so.

Also, we don't get trained in doing the whole UCAS thing, we just have to do it.

[quote Howshouldibehave]@ElliFAntspoo I thought it was bizarre! I expected to have to take my PGCE certificate and evidence of QTS, and maybe degree certificate, but needing to prove anything prior to that seemed a bit odd![/quote]
I've always found that the older you get the shorter your CV should be. No-one gives a flying F what you did 30 years ago unless they are box tickers. Yes it's different when your 5 years out of school, or only moving job for the first/second time. But once your established as an expert in your field, if you have to go through a series of box ticking departments before you get to a job interview, you went about getting to the job interview the wrong way. I try always to be the one asking if this is the company I want to dedicate my life to, and asking why they want me, rather than the other way around.

I know its different in government run organisations, and I accept that the NHS should be making sure their doctors have a degree, but they don't need to be checking they have GCSE English because, let's face it, that's discrimination, and they don't need to know you got a B in Home Ec.