Why should the UK vaccine supply be diverted to Europe?

[lovelemoncurd]

They ordered 3 months later than the UK. They have themselves less time to sort glitches. They have been slow to the table and now they wish to punish to UK for being efficient.

I was a remain voter. I'm starting to change my mind!

If the Tories send so much as one vial of vaccine to the EU they will be toast.

@Glenchase

No 10 not ruling out sending vaccine to EU- headline in Guardian Ridiculous. Once the EU started using bullying tactics that should have been the end of any negotiation and any possibility of sending them our vaccines.

I wonder if they’ve read my ‘send it to Ireland’ suggestion

I wonder if they’ve read my ‘send it to Ireland’ suggestion

Would that even be permissible under EU rules?

Daftest comment yet. And that's saying something.

It's staggering! 😆

First country to vaccinate their people will be first country to restart their economy, even before Covid the EU were worried that the UK would be a major competitor right on their door step.

@Motorina I have great sympathy for those who are waiting on the Pfizer second jab. I’d hope that steps are being put in place to stop using it for first doses now in light of the news from the last few days so that they can preserve supply. It may already be happening, daily vaccination numbers are down over the last few days and withholding the Pfizer jab for usage on second doses is a plausible explanation.

@avonklok but the uk also had a contract with pfizer so if the eu were to block that how is that different? No az comes from
Eu its from uk manufacturers now so they can't stop that
This should of been between the eu and az and the uk should not of been dragged into it like this

@Dongdingdong

I wonder if they’ve read my ‘send it to Ireland’ suggestion

Would that even be permissible under EU rules?

Even if it was, someone somewhere would stamp their feet and say it wasn’t fair, each country had to be given a proportional amount as per their population.

I understand it’s a nice idea in theory, but not exactly practical. Though it would be a nice thank you for when they were sending ambulances up north to help us out. Plus there must be lots of people like me, with family there worrying about their rates as well.

@bluethrough our contract is ours the eu is theirs and of az has breached the eu can and should take up with Az, but not the uk we didn't sign their contract
Plus we haven't even ruled out helping , we haven't committed one way or the other

[quote CaveMum]@Motorina I have great sympathy for those who are waiting on the Pfizer second jab. I’d hope that steps are being put in place to stop using it for first doses now in light of the news from the last few days so that they can preserve supply. It may already be happening, daily vaccination numbers are down over the last few days and withholding the Pfizer jab for usage on second doses is a plausible explanation.[/quote]
There was an interesting link up there’s that said there is a critical ingredient for Pfizer that is produced in two places only.

I believe one is in the USA and the other is Goole in Yorkshire.

My answer to the EU would be, ok don’t send us the vaccine, but you’re not having anymore raw materials unless you do, so you will end up with no Pfizer OR AZ.

If the Tories send so much as one vial of vaccine to the EU they will be toast

FWIW I've no problem helping others once ours have been done, but if it comes to the above they'll probably say "we were desperate to get folk their second Pfizer jabs so had no choice"

Never underestimate governments' ability to spin

@bluethrough i don't think
Lol is appropriate here and we haven't vaccinated the most vunerable no where near and the eu want doses now that they ordered , how can we give them these when we haven't vaccinated yet and have to get second doses out.
If we were on younger ages fair enough , but we are not.

[quote CaveMum]@Motorina I have great sympathy for those who are waiting on the Pfizer second jab. I’d hope that steps are being put in place to stop using it for first doses now in light of the news from the last few days so that they can preserve supply. It may already be happening, daily vaccination numbers are down over the last few days and withholding the Pfizer jab for usage on second doses is a plausible explanation.[/quote]
I was thinking that is possible too

Good article from the Spectator, the "Best effort" clause was too broad and no breach has occurred yet. www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-vaccine-row-shows-the-eu-doesn-t-understand-contract-law

*Also on the Malawi question, who is manufacturing vaccine and paying for vaccine comes into play here.

The UK is better placed to help places which dont have their own capability to make or fully fund vaccination of the whole population, if they look after their own population and economy first.

Its a harsh reality but one that does exist.

It's besides the point... We are at war with this virus... In a world war if we were being attacked from all angles by the enemy we would stand our ground and fight until the battle is won....

Not send our troops out of the country to help other countries fight.*

Or like being on a plane that crashes - you're instructed to pout on your own oxygen mask before helping others?

but I don't think "see how horrible the EU are, look how they're threatening us?" is quite the argument in favour of leaving the EU some people seem to think it is.

I think you’re wrong there. Many people will conclude that they’d rather not be part of an organization that behaves in the way the EU has done. They’ve shown their true colours and seriously embarrassed themselves with their incompetence, toddler like behaviour and bullying tactics.

I bet Nicola Sturgeon is fuming - it’s the worst possible PR for the EU ahead of the second independence vote she so desperately wants.

@cavemum i don't think a large proportion if the pfizer jab is here its not easy to store
Didn't we have delays with it in beginning as well?
Everyone is forgetting in order to vaccinate more we are pushing the doses gap as well

Seems to me that the EU are throwing a hissy fit because they are panicking now.

Dragging the UK in to something that is nothing to do with us. It’s not our fault we placed an order months before they did?! That’s between AZ and the EU.

Now stropping and trying to bribe the UK by saying they won’t allow the supply to get here.

They’re making complete dicks if themselves and rightly so, questions will be asked as to why they didn’t order earlier etc...

FWIW I've no problem helping others once ours have been done, but if it comes to the above they'll probably say "we were desperate to get folk their second Pfizer jabs so had no choice"

I’m all for that too - once ours have been done.

@IcedPurple

Why should UK orders be prioritised, Cv doesn't prioritise.

Daftest comment yet. And that's saying something.

Well, why should they? UK special?

You have a habit of coming out with nasty comments don't you?

They’re making complete dicks if themselves and rightly so, questions will be asked as to why they didn’t order earlier etc..

Think about that?
If they had, we'd now have less & they'd have more, the supply issues Az appear to have wouldn't have gone away.

Well, why should they? UK special?

I'm not sure why I'm bothering to reply to you as you clearly aren't interested in anything which contradicts your prejudices. The UK signed their contract months before the dithering EU, which clearly gives them precedence.

But you know that, don't you?

You have a habit of coming out with nasty comments don't you?

If pointing out the utter stupidity of your rants is 'nasty', so be it.

@Bluethrough its about fulfilling the contracts that each have signed ?
If az diverts supplies from uk they could potentially be breaking that contract . We should wait and see what contracts are if ever published.
How is it the uk's fault? Is this not between az and eu?
If we had done all our vulnerable and we had spare yes help, but we haven't and won't of done the 2 doses for months. By that time who
Knows what supplies will look like.
The uk haven't even ruled out helping they are actually sitting back at the moment until all details come out .

@Bluethrough

They’re making complete dicks if themselves and rightly so, questions will be asked as to why they didn’t order earlier etc..

Think about that?
If they had, we'd now have less & they'd have more, the supply issues Az appear to have wouldn't have gone away.

Why?

Didn't you just say that ordering first doesn't mean your contract should be honoured first? Or what?

@Bluethrough

They’re making complete dicks if themselves and rightly so, questions will be asked as to why they didn’t order earlier etc..

Think about that?
If they had, we'd now have less & they'd have more, the supply issues Az appear to have wouldn't have gone away.

AZ have said that they were able to iron out supply issues simply because the UK placed its order earlier. If the EU had placed their order at the same time they would have been able to do the same by now.