Why should the UK vaccine supply be diverted to Europe?

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They ordered 3 months later than the UK. They have themselves less time to sort glitches. They have been slow to the table and now they wish to punish to UK for being efficient.

I was a remain voter. I'm starting to change my mind!

@MessAllOver tbf we haven't reached anywhere near that stage yet though have we
Chances are come summer many countries will be catching up

AZ / Ox is a not for profit vaccine, unlike more expensive counterparts

U.K. has contributed to vaccine schemes

In terms of contribution to vaccine situation are people still not happy?

We have an established programme. We can roll it out

Basically the EU contracts teams didn't do their job properly

Indeed. And the issue of AZ then saying ah well to be nice we will send less elsewhere so you can have some is that they would face hefty failure to deliver fines. And it's really unlikely any country, including us, would amend our contracts or waive that obligation in honesty. Ah well, glad we didn't join in on their joint procurement, I wonder how many member states would be hesitant to in the future.

@Horizons83 yes I get that now and yes possibly, however you look at it they have not handled it very diplomatically .

@Yellownotblue

Well it is perfectly possible that the U.K. is engaging in tortious interference by getting AZ to breach the terms of their EU APA. In which case yes, there would be legal liability for the U.K.

I’m not saying that it’s the case, just that it is a possibility.

That is speculation on the next level

@donewithitalltodayandxmas. But we will have reached that stage by mid-February.

@Yellownotblue
Well it is perfectly possible that the U.K. is engaging in tortious interference by getting AZ to breach the terms of their EU APA. In which case yes, there would be legal liability for the U.K.
I’m not saying that it’s the case, just that it is a possibility.

That's so remarkably convoluted. Don't trip on the knots you tied yourself in.

[quote MessAllOver]@donewithitalltodayandxmas. But we will have reached that stage by mid-February.[/quote]
What do you want to happen after mid February?

@messallover no not really as that is when people will of had first dose and not second as we are spacing the doses out , unlike other countries in order to get that many vaccinated.
Plus still is vulnerable in the people below and like others have said if you want to help , you need to have a economy to offer that, we have a long road ahead still.

@donewithitalltodayandxmas, I am certainly not and I don’t understand how you can misconstrue my posts in that way.

Some posters have said that regardless of the EU/AZ APA, it’s got nothing to do with the U.K. and we should be left out of it. My post was simply explaining that if you encourage a party to breach a contractual agreement, you may be held liable to the party who suffered damages from the breach. It’s called wrongful interference. I have no idea if that’s actually happening. I do know however that this government has publicly stated it is willing to break international law.

Just ask Nazanin Zaghari-Radcliffe what can happen when the U.K. doesn’t settle their debts.

@yellowtoblue actually thats quite some serious accusation.

@Yellownotblue doesn't seem like I am the only one taking it that way

After we have vaccinated our vulnerable groups by mid-February, it would be the right thing to do to divert 50% of our vaccine stocks to other countries. That would still allow us to continue our vaccine programme at a record pace while ensuring that a greater number of vulnerable people in other countries have access to vaccines.

glad we didn't join in on their joint procurement, I wonder how many member states would be hesitant to in the future.

A few states wanted to do their own thing but were bullied pressured to join the bloc.

Meanwhile Germany went ahead and ordered millions on the side anyway. One rule for the EU, another for Germany, I guess.

Whereas we all know Britain would have played by the rules and been at the end of the queue.

I do feel a bit uneasy receiving the vaccine before someone more vulnerable regardless of where in the world they live.

Then you and any non-vulnerable members of your family shouldn’t have it then @Username198! Nobody is holding a gun to your head.

@MessAllOver no it won't as they will only have one dose not the two

@MessAllOver

After we have vaccinated our vulnerable groups by mid-February, it would be the right thing to do to divert 50% of our vaccine stocks to other countries. That would still allow us to continue our vaccine programme at a record pace while ensuring that a greater number of vulnerable people in other countries have access to vaccines.

Terrible idea when you look at who is in ICU

That is the issue not deaths

Mess I assume you will opt out?

@Wildswim I have read Stella Kyriakides's statement and she is not talking about the UK but AZ. She mentions the location of the factory in the UK, she doesn't accuse the UK of anything. Same with the 8% thing, nothing I read was about the UK but AZ. If you have links, do let me know as I agree, that would not be acceptable. Haven't seen the German MP thing but I'm sure they have their shitstirrers like every other country.

AZ is not the UK, it's not helpful to conflate them.

@messallover if we diverted 50% how on earth would we still be able to deliver at record pace , we don't have surplus stock. We could roll out quicker as well if we had more supplies, supply is why the programme is at the pace it is .
Plenty of countries are getting in with the vaccines and who is it you want to send to ? Which countries exactly

The AstraZeneca vaccine may be not for profit but has anyone seen their share price rally? It's off the charts. They're doing very well out of all this, don't believe for a minute they're manufacturing and supplying the vaccine for purely altruistic reasons. This is Big Pharma we're talking about.

@SwimmingOnEggshells

The AstraZeneca vaccine may be not for profit but has anyone seen their share price rally? It's off the charts. They're doing very well out of all this, don't believe for a minute they're manufacturing and supplying the vaccine for purely altruistic reasons. This is Big Pharma we're talking about.

Oh finally where is that poster that kept saying their share price was tanking

Mid february is when it is expected we will have vaccinated our "most" vulnerable groups. Being in group 5 myself, I object to the idea that UK vaccines should then be handed over to the EU. They messed up their contract, why should I be at risk for longer because of their failings?

@SwimmingOnEggshells that may be the case but the point is the vaccine is affordable , no big companies do anything without gain but the fact the vaccine is affordable is the main thing

@MRex, actually it is not that hard to be tripped up by tortious interference.

Anyway, I can see that this isn’t the sort of thread that actually wants a discussion on contract law, so I will bow out and let you have fun. 🙂