Do you feel sorry for Boris?

[User133847]

Seeing the headlines in the papers today and there seems a lot of sympathy for him. The front pages see him looking really forlorn and sorrow regarding the death toll.

When you think a year ago he was planning on ushering in what he deemed as a golden age of Britain. Now 12 months later it's in tatters.

I can understand the sympathy, but wonder whether a Labour PM would be offered the same.

@derxa Yes, I thought it shocking Nicola Sturgeon attempted to put a negative spin on his visit when it was about the vaccination programme and newly funded Scottish facilities.

'I quite agree. He promised us 5 days and caved in and gave us 1. Ruining Christmas for millions of people who couldn’t travel there and back in a day.'

'Promised us 5 days' fgs, he isn't Santa. It was and always has been an ever changing situation so therefore folk should accept things will change. The initial 5 days became one day as rates were accelerating everywhere. No one should have mixed households anyway, the numbers were stark. People who mixed made that reckless decision all by themselves.

'Why is his government blasting people who travel to Dubai to influence people while he trots off to Scotland to influence people?'

He's PM of the UK, it is well within his remit to visit vaccine centres to review progress and production.Why does #ThankyouNicola travel from Glasgow to Edinburgh every day when she has a house in Edinburgh??
People who travel to Dubai for their holibobs should of course be 'blasted'.

[quote DamnUserName21]And we ordered our vaccines during transition, the EU has never been involved in our procurement. So no, we wouldn't have been involved in it. That's purely wrong.

I never said that the EU were involved in UK vaccine procurement.
On the contrary, we declined joining the Euro Vaccination scheme because we had left and were transitioning. However, if we'd been a member, we would have encountered the same pressure to be part of the scheme that the French, Italians, German and Dutch did. Article below outlines what happened.

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And yet Malta - admittedly very small but also very densely populated - has managed to vaccinate its entire population. It achieved that at least a week ago.

'Well, people were fed up with this lot making a hash of Brexit and seemingly going round and round in negotiations, yes. But if transition had been extended, Brexit could have gone away for a bit, and people wouldn't have been hearing about it to carry on being sick of it. It was reckless in the extreme to try to deal with the pandemic and Brexit together. '

'Making a hash' of brexit? What, the free trade no quota brexit?! As others have said if we were still in the EU we'd be in their position vaccine wise so I'm very glad transition wasn't extended.

Yes i do there are so many people who would of done it differently but it's only using hindsight!
It would be interesting to see if anyone else would of done better.
Are people forgetting how successful the vaccine roll out is too?

@Preg19

Yes i do there are so many people who would of done it differently but it's only using hindsight! It would be interesting to see if anyone else would of done better. Are people forgetting how successful the vaccine roll out is too?

The vaccine rollout is literally the only thing they’ve got right and that’s because they handed it over to the NHS and the armed forces instead of their chums for a change.

@Preg19

Yes i do there are so many people who would of done it differently but it's only using hindsight! It would be interesting to see if anyone else would of done better. Are people forgetting how successful the vaccine roll out is too?

Hindsight isn’t necessary for a lot of it though., there have been many key points where BJ and his cabinet have led us in a completely different direction to the point experts and lay people wondered wtf they were doing. Have a look through the older pages of this forum and it’s all there in black and white. All their strategies have been focussed on short term economic recovery and failed to accept that this depended on sustained case control. It’s a cabinet massively influenced by popular opinion in a situation that needs to be driven by scientific and medical fact.

I’m cautiously optimistic about vaccinations and can’t fault their strategy in negotiating doses, but I’m still not happy about the adjustment to dosing requirements and it will still be a while before we have real world data to see the impact. I’ll reserve final judgement until the majority of the vulnerable population have had two jabs delivered within their own promised guidelines. Given the track record of the last year I don’t feel their gamblers luck is particularly good.

'they handed it over to the NHS and the armed forces instead of their chums for a change.'

You do realise they fund the NHS and the military don't you so are directly responsible for resources and planning. For example I'm sure if the NHS cocked it up you'd blame Johnson not the staff on the front line.

Kate Bingham has done an excellent job in procurement, Hancock has done an excellent job in leading the roll out.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'they handed it over to the NHS and the armed forces instead of their chums for a change.'

You do realise they fund the NHS and the military don't you so are directly responsible for resources and planning. For example I'm sure if the NHS cocked it up you'd blame Johnson not the staff on the front line.

Kate Bingham has done an excellent job in procurement, Hancock has done an excellent job in leading the roll out.

Yes I do know that 🙄 I see you have, as usual, spectacularly missed the point again.

Maybe it would have been a good idea to have handed track and trace over to directly funded organisations too. It would sure as hell have saved a lot of the money that went into Baroness Harding’s pocket. You’re right about Kate Bingham. Hancock is an oxygen thief.

Well done highhorse for purposefully missing that point.

If the vaccination rollout had been handed out to Tory donors then I am in no doubt it would have spectacularly failed by now, while lining private companies pockets.

NHS failings are directly due to underfunding, but it's not surprising that funding is never an issue for Harding etc.

Time may show offering partial vaccination against scientific and manufacturing advice is another serious error. Hopefully not, but it's not going to be quite as amazing if it doesn't work because people don't get their second dose at three weeks. There is an amount of spin even on this.

Kate Bingham has done an excellent job in procurement, Hancock has done an excellent job in leading the roll out

As a front line NHS worker with half my department involved in vaccine rollout I can tell you Hancock had had sweet FA to do with the roll out. It’s ALL on the NHS who’ve had to work with constantly shifting goalposts. E.g. told one day you’ll have 975 vaccines for the next day which then aren’t delivered. So that’s booking appts, cancelling and rebooking, being shouted at by anxious pts etc.
Hospitals and staff are being threatened with losing their licence if they give 2nd doses even if there is no one to give a 1st dose to; and the other option is to bin it.
Didn’t you see the news coverage of Hancock turning up at a GP centre for a photo op, only to find out they hadn’t had their delivery and then getting a tongue lashing from the medics in charge?

'Well done highhorse for purposefully missing that point.If the vaccination rollout had been handed out to Tory donors'

If the NHS and the military weren't doing well you would blame Government, when they are doing well they are independent entities apparently totally separate from gov resources and planning.

Say I'm missing the point all you like, I'm just highlighting the many hypocritical comments on this 'we hate Boris!!' thread.

I do blame the government for the NHS not doing well! It's critically underfunded while there is no problem finding funding for unqualified Tory donors companies.

Kate Bingham was lambasted on here. Can’t remember if connections claim was made but spend was. It was for the registry which was one of two big reasons we got 60m

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'Well done highhorse for purposefully missing that point.If the vaccination rollout had been handed out to Tory donors'

If the NHS and the military weren't doing well you would blame Government, when they are doing well they are independent entities apparently totally separate from gov resources and planning.

Say I'm missing the point all you like, I'm just highlighting the many hypocritical comments on this 'we hate Boris!!' thread.

Nobody, literally nobody, said they were separate entities. Of course the government would have been blamed because they’re the fuckers in charge! Jesus wept!

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'they handed it over to the NHS and the armed forces instead of their chums for a change.'

You do realise they fund the NHS and the military don't you so are directly responsible for resources and planning. For example I'm sure if the NHS cocked it up you'd blame Johnson not the staff on the front line.

Kate Bingham has done an excellent job in procurement, Hancock has done an excellent job in leading the roll out.

Who is 'they' Bunty? The public fund the NHS and the military via taxes. If you don't know how central government and public services work, perhaps you should brush up.

You are a Tory intern and I claim my £5. The fact that you think Hancock is capable of anything gives you away.

'Didn’t you see the news coverage of Hancock turning up at a GP centre for a photo op, only to find out they hadn’t had their delivery and then getting a tongue lashing from the medics in charge?''

No mention of a 'tongue lashing' here just a gp pointing out the very obvious that delivery needs to be reliable. Delivery has occasionally been patchy, surely what you'd expect in such a massive operation. Not sure what the problem is him turning up to offer support? and surely having a photo taken to raise the profile of the roll out is what politicians do.

'Who is 'they' Bunty?'

'Bunty'?

Not sure what the problem is him turning up to offer support?

What support did he offer? I’m surprised that such a sticker for the rules is defending a “non essential” journey. Double standards? In fact just like your hero.

Not at all.

'Double standards? In fact just like your hero.'

Who is my 'hero', Johnson? No. However I will repeat the inconvenient truth that Wales, NI and Scotland have similar death rates and infection rates to us. Spain had 40k cases a couple of days ago and regarding deaths per million (context is very important for those who don't understand) we are similar to Italy and less than Belgium www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Now you can be thick and bleat 'whataboutery' or 'Posh Johnson is a murderer innit', or you can try to engage your brain and understand all 4 nations have similar stats despite different 'leaders' and we are similar to the rest of western Europe. So again demographics, compliance and pop size more relevant than if you like Johnson or not.

A serving politician is judged by their failures not successes, success is the minimum standard they should be delivering. This is well understood when they choose to campaign for their position.

The NHS and army are doing a great job so far with the vaccines; this is an example of successful delegation not successful leadership. If the current cabinet manage to protect our vaccine supplies so it can be completed successfully then we can chalk that up as a cabinet win.

Now you can be thick and bleat 'whataboutery' or 'Posh Johnson is a murderer innit', or you can try to engage your brain

Will you please stop insulting our collective intelligence. There’s absolutely no need for it. There are many brains far more engaged than yours on this thread and your quite unjustified assertions of intellectual superiority is tedious. As is making the same point over and over again ad infinitum.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'Double standards? In fact just like your hero.'

Who is my 'hero', Johnson? No. However I will repeat the inconvenient truth that Wales, NI and Scotland have similar death rates and infection rates to us. Spain had 40k cases a couple of days ago and regarding deaths per million (context is very important for those who don't understand) we are similar to Italy and less than Belgium www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Now you can be thick and bleat 'whataboutery' or 'Posh Johnson is a murderer innit', or you can try to engage your brain and understand all 4 nations have similar stats despite different 'leaders' and we are similar to the rest of western Europe. So again demographics, compliance and pop size more relevant than if you like Johnson or not.

Oh dear.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'Didn’t you see the news coverage of Hancock turning up at a GP centre for a photo op, only to find out they hadn’t had their delivery and then getting a tongue lashing from the medics in charge?''

No mention of a 'tongue lashing' here just a gp pointing out the very obvious that delivery needs to be reliable. Delivery has occasionally been patchy, surely what you'd expect in such a massive operation. Not sure what the problem is him turning up to offer support? and surely having a photo taken to raise the profile of the roll out is what politicians do.

'Who is 'they' Bunty?'

'Bunty'?

Bunty is a comic for girls. They said things like 'holibobs'.