Do you feel sorry for Boris?

[User133847]

Seeing the headlines in the papers today and there seems a lot of sympathy for him. The front pages see him looking really forlorn and sorrow regarding the death toll.

When you think a year ago he was planning on ushering in what he deemed as a golden age of Britain. Now 12 months later it's in tatters.

I can understand the sympathy, but wonder whether a Labour PM would be offered the same.

@NoWordForFluffy

Nobody said they did speak for you, *@derxa*. It will be the majority that decides, should there be another vote, however (obviously independence may be rejected again, but comments designed to piss the Scottish people off aren't going to help intra-Union relations).

Boris will soon be gone but independence will be a long term catastrophe just like Brexit. Never mind the economic disaster, Scottish women are going to be thrown under the bus due to Nicola's trans rights stance. I could weep for my country - Scotland in case I wasn't being clear.

[quote Dowser]@User133847

His cowardice has been a problem. Especially in December over Christmas.

I quite agree. He promised us 5 days and caved in and gave us 1.
Ruining Christmas for millions of people who couldn’t travel there and back in a day.[/quote]
He had absolutely no right to promise any kind of Christmas at all, especially with the numbers as they were in Oct/Nov.
A responsible leader would have been big enough to lay out the bad news properly at an early stage and say it’s just not safe enough this year.
Then he delayed and delayed “cancelling it” for a lot of the country until the message was so late and so muddled that it probably caused more problems.
There are so many heartbreaking stories like this.

www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/mums-agony-four-family-members-23397371

50,000 of the deaths have happened since the 11th Nov. We had the failed tier system (he refused an earlier harder lockdown), Christmas mixing, schools threatened with legal action for not closing then sent back for 1 day... all his to own

I thought what he actually said was:

“The endless talk about a referendum – without any clear description of what the constitutional situation will be after that referendum – is completely irrelevant now to the concerns of most people, who I think want us to beat this pandemic.”

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An actual correct quote in context. That won't be welcome sadly.

As if he'd say 'an independence referendum is 'completely irrelevant' to Scottish people'. 🙄

he tricked and lied his way into a job he is not competent to do.

I feel much more sorry for the people suffering the effects of his inadequacy.

@MaddieElla

I thought what he actually said was:

“The endless talk about a referendum – without any clear description of what the constitutional situation will be after that referendum – is completely irrelevant now to the concerns of most people, who I think want us to beat this pandemic.”

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But ironic, given he was determined to 'get Brexit done' during a pandemic. And, such was his haste, he fucked it up right royally, even for those people he was claiming to protect by holding out for the shit deal he got.

I'm not here for the brexit talk. I just like to drop facts into a discussion so people can feel a bit stupid for posting false statements.

@GetOffYourHighHorse indeed!

@MaddieElla

I'm not here for the brexit talk. I just like to drop facts into a discussion so people can feel a bit stupid for posting false statements.

And I quoted you to illustrate my point about how BoZo's utterance is rather ironic.

You don't have to get involved in my comment. It was about what you wrote, not aimed at you for reply. If it was aimed at you, I'd have @'d you.

I doubt you've made anybody feel stupid, however, so you can lose your air of superiority!

@MaddieElla

I thought what he actually said was:

“The endless talk about a referendum – without any clear description of what the constitutional situation will be after that referendum – is completely irrelevant now to the concerns of most people, who I think want us to beat this pandemic.”

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I'm glad you clarified what he actually said. I didn't imagine that he said indyref2 is irrelevant but it's good to know what he did say as his words were taken out of context.

But ironic, given he was determined to 'get Brexit done' during a pandemic. And, such was his haste, he fucked it up right royally, even for those people he was claiming to protect by holding out for the shit deal he got.

People were fed up with Brexit-everyone wanted it done. A deal at the very last minute was crap but he honoured what was started when withdrawal notice was given to Brussels back under May, pandemic or no. And if he hadn't and had extended the transition period, the UK may well be experiencing the vaccine shortages going on in the EU currently.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

An actual correct quote in context. That won't be welcome sadly.

As if he'd say 'an independence referendum is 'completely irrelevant' to Scottish people'. 🙄

That is word for word how it was presented by the BBC.

And I'm fine with the verbatim quote. It doesn't change the meaning at all...

@MaddieElla

I'm not here for the brexit talk. I just like to drop facts into a discussion so people can feel a bit stupid for posting false statements.

I posted a direct quote, so settle.

@DamnUserName21 how can you say everyone wanted Brexit done when a majority of people in the country now wouldn't vote for it (according to the last poll read anyway)?

@IncludeWomenInTheSequel, I'm not talking about whether to remain or leave. After all, that was decided back in 2016.
I'm talking about getting the damn deal done and just getting on with transition and what comes after. People were sick of it, were they not? Even remainers were getting fed up of the politicking.
As for latest poll, some leavers may have changed their minds, but that makes no difference.
And, given the EU AZ vaccine debacle and how well the UK has done in terms of vaccinations, you'll likely find that even some remainers are having second thoughts about the EU.

Again, sensationalist headlines. Because they know people will lose their shit and post on the Internet without actually reading the article.

And he's right. The majority of people don't give a shiny shite about the Scottish referendum right now!

Not for a second.
He’s a total shit. Even before becoming PM he was known for being a useless shit and his self interest and arrogance has meant a lot of lives have been lost.
He has blood on his hands, as do those who voted for him. It was never going to end well.

@MaddieElla

Again, sensationalist headlines. Because they know people will lose their shit and post on the Internet without actually reading the article.

And he's right. The majority of people don't give a shiny shite about the Scottish referendum right now!

Says you. You've no idea whether it's true or not. It's massively important to me, my DH and some of our friends and family. If the SNP didn't know it was important to many they wouldn't have announced their change in strategy.

Anyway anyway anyway this is derailing. I'll stop now and go to sleep!

how can you say everyone wanted Brexit done when a majority of people in the country now wouldn't vote for it (according to the last poll read anyway)?

I assume the ‘last poll read’ was done before it became clear that the EU had completely fucked up their vaccine rollout, began resorting to bully tactics (hugely embarrassing themselves in the process) and tried to nab vaccine supplies meant for UK citizens?

He has blood on his hands, as do those who voted for him. It was never going to end well.

If you’re really going down that route, then anyone who ever voted for pretty much any prime minister has blood on their hands.

"“The endless talk about a referendum – without any clear description of what the constitutional situation will be after that referendum..."

Boris said that? About a referendum?

@Dongdingdong

how can you say everyone wanted Brexit done when a majority of people in the country now wouldn't vote for it (according to the last poll read anyway)?

I assume the ‘last poll read’ was done before it became clear that the EU had completely fucked up their vaccine rollout, began resorting to bully tactics (hugely embarrassing themselves in the process) and tried to nab vaccine supplies meant for UK citizens?

The Eu row over vaccines is being reported completely differently in Europe to the UK. In Europe it’s very much a contractual fight between the EU and Astra Zeneca. The UK press is framing it as a nationalistic issue

People should be cautious about nationalistic scraps between us and the EU. The government and right-wing press are playing you, this will not end well.

Ordinary people never win when governments squabble.

"The Eu row over vaccines is being reported completely differently in Europe to the UK.
In Europe it’s very much a contractual fight between the EU and Astra Zeneca. The UK press is framing it as a nationalistic issue."

Interesting and probably true so Brexit looks better. Between Brexit and Covid, everything is so miserably divisive😟

He had absolutely no right to promise any kind of Christmas at all, especially with the numbers as they were in Oct/Nov.
A responsible leader would have been big enough to lay out the bad news properly at an early stage and say it’s just not safe enough this year.
Then he delayed and delayed “cancelling it” for a lot of the country until the message was so late and so muddled that it probably caused more problems.
There are so many heartbreaking stories like this.

www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/mums-agony-four-family-members-23397371

50,000 of the deaths have happened since the 11th Nov. We had the failed tier system (he refused an earlier harder lockdown), Christmas mixing, schools threatened with legal action for not closing then sent back for 1 day... all his to own

No sorry, i don't agree. This shouldn’t be a nanny state and people need to take responsibility for their own actions. I didn’t meet any friends or family over Christmas because I didn’t see the point in risking anyone’s health so close to the vaccine roll out. I made my own choice regardless of what the government said was allowed.

So many people are now incapable of taking personal responsibility. I’m not sure when it happened but it seems to run alongside the victim status that is now so prevalent.