Do you feel sorry for Boris?

[User133847]

Seeing the headlines in the papers today and there seems a lot of sympathy for him. The front pages see him looking really forlorn and sorrow regarding the death toll.

When you think a year ago he was planning on ushering in what he deemed as a golden age of Britain. Now 12 months later it's in tatters.

I can understand the sympathy, but wonder whether a Labour PM would be offered the same.

@poppyzbrite4

I think his privileged background is relevant to where he is today

Your whole post exhudes prejudice, sorry

@Stellaris22

Or admit you lied and apologise

How is my statement dangerous? You think it should be censored? Blimey!

I haven't lied and I won't apologise for seeing something that is evident from a lot of these posts.

Sorry you can't see it either

You know what you could do @trulydelicious

Maybe if you tag MNHQ in this thread they could go and delete the racist posts themselves.

And it's not prejudiced to state the fact that someone's privileged background has been a factor in his success.

I do not think these words means what you think they mean.

@trulydelicious you have said there are racist comments against the PM with no evidence. That is dangerous and a lie. I have been following this thread and seen nothing to back up your statement, it would have been flagged by now.

Do not make unfounded accusations.

If you are really concerned then why not report the posts of concern?

Or maybe, it's an unfounded lie.

[quote trulydelicious]@Stellaris22

Or admit you lied and apologise

How is my statement dangerous? You think it should be censored? Blimey!

I haven't lied and I won't apologise for seeing something that is evident from a lot of these posts.

Sorry you can't see it either[/quote]
You have lied. There’s no racism on this thread. Calling someone a racist is one of the most deeply offensive things you can do. At least have the decency to apologise for being wrong.

'Sorry you can't see it.'

Translation: it doesn't exist, but I'm going to attempt to make you look bad for not spotting what isn't there.

Either shit or get off the pot, @trulydelicious. Prove your claims or withdraw them.

Look, it's easy to get carried away with such a passionate debate.

But you're calling somebody - or even multiple posters - on this thread racist. Best thing to do would be to hold your hands up and say 'ok, I shouldn't have said racist, that was over the line, it was heat of the moment stuff' or actually report the post(s) in question so that MN can deal.

Not repulsed by his background. Repulsed by his actions (or rather inactions)

'Disgree. Blair (and Brown) is way worse and deceitful and damaging to the nation as a whole.'

'Sorry - what??'

Well I have no opinion on Brown but Blair was behind the illegal Iraq war, sexed up dossier anyone? Hmm then the catastrophic PFI thing oh and the 2004 GP contract which allowed them to opt out of out of hours work! Great plan Tony.

I mean of course he didn't have a pandemic to deal with, thank god, but as I said earlier when Wales, Scotland and NI (who make their own decisions) are in the same boat I think demographics, culture, location, density, obesity and poor compliance are clearly the relevant issues

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'Disgree. Blair (and Brown) is way worse and deceitful and damaging to the nation as a whole.'

'Sorry - what??'

Well I have no opinion on Brown but Blair was behind the illegal Iraq war, sexed up dossier anyone? Hmm then the catastrophic PFI thing oh and the 2004 GP contract which allowed them to opt out of out of hours work! Great plan Tony.

I mean of course he didn't have a pandemic to deal with, thank god, but as I said earlier when Wales, Scotland and NI (who make their own decisions) are in the same boat I think demographics, culture, location, density, obesity and poor compliance are clearly the relevant issues

Though my post was actually about Brown though wasn't it? You only quoted the first bit.

It's so transparent that the constant critics probably have always been anti Tory (we'll no doubt now conveniently get a poster saying they're 'voted tory all their lives but never again!')

Can someone, without whining 'whataboutery! Its a Boris thread!' Explain why Labour ran Wales high death and infection rates, ditto Scotland gets no criticism at all. Go on try.

It's as if it the whole tragic situation is giving people a little platform to just constantly moan about Johnson. The rest of Europe is the same with restrictions. Yes, we've had the variant which has sadly exacerbated the situation but you do know Germany is recording 1k deaths a day, Spain 40k new cases yesterday. Get your heads of out of your arses.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'Let's just remind ourselves of the PM at the press conference'

Yes, 'washing your hands is the crucial thing'.

Delivering that message in his usual clear fashion

@GetOffYourHighHorse is there anythingJohnson could do that you wouldn't jump to his defence over?

There’s no point in engaging with you @GetOffYourHighHorse. You’re so rabidly pro Tory Johnson could order the killing of the firstborn and you’d still defend him. I honestly wonder what it would take to make you take your head out of your arse, as you so elegantly put it. It would also be nice if you could debate without insulting everyone else’s intelligence, too. Insult detracts from any point you make.

It's so transparent that the constant critics probably have always been anti Tory (we'll no doubt now conveniently get a poster saying they're 'voted tory all their lives but never again!')

I've voted for every main party in my adult life. Ken Clarke was my - very good - MP for a while.

I have also criticised other party leaders for their actions / dogmatic approach in the past. I don't particularly tolerate incompetence from any party leader, regardless of whether they're the party I currently vote for (I'm a floating voter).

I definitely wouldn't vote Tory now though. You're right about that one!

@User133847

His cowardice has been a problem. Especially in December over Christmas.

I quite agree. He promised us 5 days and caved in and gave us 1.
Ruining Christmas for millions of people who couldn’t travel there and back in a day.

[quote trulydelicious]@poppyzbrite4

I think his privileged background is relevant to where he is today

Your whole post exhudes prejudice, sorry[/quote]
No it doesn't it's representative of the facts.

www.theguardian.com/education/2016/feb/24/privately-educated-elite-continues-to-take-top-jobs-finds-survey

The Sutton Trust’s Leading People 2016 report:
7% of the population attend independent fee-paying schools
In politics,(32%) of MPs having been privately educated, though that figure goes up to half of the cabinet, compared with 13% of the shadow cabinet

Just under half (47%) of the cabinet attended Oxbridge, compared with 32% of the shadow cabinet.

Johnson went to Eton and Oxford. Or do you think priviledge doesn't exist? Are you Laurence Fox?

@GetOffYourHighHorse

It's so transparent that the constant critics probably have always been anti Tory (we'll no doubt now conveniently get a poster saying they're 'voted tory all their lives but never again!')

Can someone, without whining 'whataboutery! Its a Boris thread!' Explain why Labour ran Wales high death and infection rates, ditto Scotland gets no criticism at all. Go on try.

It's as if it the whole tragic situation is giving people a little platform to just constantly moan about Johnson. The rest of Europe is the same with restrictions. Yes, we've had the variant which has sadly exacerbated the situation but you do know Germany is recording 1k deaths a day, Spain 40k new cases yesterday. Get your heads of out of your arses.

Why don't you start your own thread on that? You are derailing the thread. Go and start your own thread on Wales's handling of Covid.

*Privilege

[quote trulydelicious]@poppyzbrite4

I think his privileged background is relevant to where he is today

Your whole post exhudes prejudice, sorry[/quote]
I accept your apology. There is no 'prejudice' on my post. Don't be silly.

[quote trulydelicious]@NoWordForFluffy

But you're clutching at straws to say he's subject to prejudice

This is the first comment that I saw on Page 2. Many more follow

What about his immensely privileged background has caused you to feel sorry for him?

I won't go through the 26 pages copying and pasting examples. Feel free to do that if you like[/quote]
I don’t think he had a privileged background at all.
He had 14 house moves in about 14 years, in three or four different countries.
Then they had that dreadful school to contend with , at least one pedo teacher, plus a mentally ill mother and an absent father a lot of the time.
No wonder Boris wanted to be ‘ world king’
Probably so he could have some control over what sounds a very dysfunctional background

'There’s no point in engaging with you'

Ah 'I can't answer your question'. Thought so.

Carry on with your 'we hate Johnson ner ner ner' childish crap. One day one of you might ask the question why Wales, NI and Scotland have the same/worse stats with different leaders and realise demographics, location, culture, density, obesity and compliance are the actual relevant factors.

I'm with @GetOffYourHighHorse
Constant whingeing and criticising when the bottom line is people have a huge chipdue to the privilege of Old Etonians.
Non-privileged people don't want to spend their lives representing their constitueny - they prefer to get ahead, make money, provide better opportunities for their DCs ie not as MPs.
So we are left with Old Etonians who will spend time in Gov.
Not ideal. But the other bottom line is that any politician wants to be in power so to pretend that Boris or anyone else is deliberately making life difficult for swathes of the country is nonsense, they are doing what they hope will keep them in power in the long term ie what keeps the majority happy.

'Why don't you start your own thread on that? You are derailing the thread. Go and start your own thread on Wales's handling of Covid.'

Ditto. You don't know. Got it 🙄.

It isn’t derailing it as inconvenient relevance. If Boris is so very crap then so is Sturgeon, Drakeford, Foster even Angela Merkel in Germany.

'Constant whingeing and criticising when the bottom line is people have a huge chipdue to the privilege of Old Etonians.'

Exactly!

@GetOffYourHighHorse I was asked about Scotland waaay upthread and posted a reply, if you want to read it.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'Why don't you start your own thread on that? You are derailing the thread. Go and start your own thread on Wales's handling of Covid.'

Ditto. You don't know. Got it 🙄.

It isn’t derailing it as inconvenient relevance. If Boris is so very crap then so is Sturgeon, Drakeford, Foster even Angela Merkel in Germany.

'Constant whingeing and criticising when the bottom line is people have a huge chipdue to the privilege of Old Etonians.'

Exactly!

You're derailing the thread because you, like Johnson, don't know when to resign.