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Primary schools back sooner than expected?

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deeplybaffled · 26/01/2021 07:58

It’s hard to know what to believe, but PHE now seem to be suggesting that primary schools can safely return after half term - which seems to contradict all other recent reports and government comments
focussing around Easter!

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HauntedPencil · 26/01/2021 18:08

@pinkpip100

The trouble is in a primary that is 50% full there’s only two options

Maybe needs to be looked at on a local basis by individual schools then? As some will have a lot less than 50% KWV currently, and certainly not all full time, so could look at split week or half day rotas for non KWV? Even 1-2 days per week (or half days) would be better than none at all. And those that can't achieve this - some might have adequate staffing levels to use additional buildings...? I've read ideas on here for childcare hubs of some sort for KWV children for their off-rota days/hours...?
I am sure there are massive flaws in these ideas but I just wish some thought was being given to this, rather than just accepting that it's all or nothing.

We are told that the Welsh government is in consultation on all these issues so we don't know anything about what they are planning what additional measures might be etc

In the absence of detail people speculate although I don't know why I bother it tends to make me feel worse.

I can't see much wrong in talking about the future though - we won't be in lockdown forever

MarshaBradyo · 26/01/2021 18:14

@FrippEnos

MarshaBradyo

I agree that dc mental health should not be minimised.

And using it as a reason to rush back in to opening schools is wrong.

The only real way to protect the mental health of children who are suffering due to lockdown is to have a plan that enables schools to open and stay open in a safe and sustainable manner.

It’s still incredibly difficult to get dc in at all, with KW already in. Especially in some schools.
pinkpip100 · 26/01/2021 18:18

We are told that the Welsh government is in consultation on all these issues so we don't know anything about what they are planning what additional measures might be etc

Sadly no sign of that happening in England...

FrippEnos · 26/01/2021 18:20

MarshaBradyo

It’s still incredibly difficult to get dc in at all, with KW already in. Especially in some schools.

It is, and more could have gone if various groups and the government hadn't continually spread the misinformation that schools are safe.

The government should have had a plan in place for a second lockdown.
The government knew what the issues were after the first lockdown yet did nothing, ably supported by those lobbyist groups.

Those same lobbyist groups that are using children's mental health (and those parents that have children that are suffering) to once again try and get their way.

wizzbangfizz · 26/01/2021 18:21

Let's hope so!

MarshaBradyo · 26/01/2021 18:23

@FrippEnos

MarshaBradyo

It’s still incredibly difficult to get dc in at all, with KW already in. Especially in some schools.

It is, and more could have gone if various groups and the government hadn't continually spread the misinformation that schools are safe.

The government should have had a plan in place for a second lockdown.
The government knew what the issues were after the first lockdown yet did nothing, ably supported by those lobbyist groups.

Those same lobbyist groups that are using children's mental health (and those parents that have children that are suffering) to once again try and get their way.

I know it keeps coming back to this group.

But we could introduce two mitigations - masks and ventilation. Not the third which is SD. As we are SD with KW already in.

If people are ok with first two dc can get school time.

I can’t see a way around it otherwise. How do you think it should work?

FrippEnos · 26/01/2021 18:27

MarshaBradyo

I would also like to see the use of external buildings and rotas.

Both of which the government stopped but may be u turning on the second.

HauntedPencil · 26/01/2021 18:27

Our school has a separate childcare if you like faculty for Kw children - not jn class

It's the only way I see a rota working. So difficult with the large numbers though

MarshaBradyo · 26/01/2021 18:28

Separate cc would work here too

hahaboink · 26/01/2021 18:29

I would love it if there was some way my primary kids could do something in person Even if it was just outdoor sports in a small group once a week. Having some face to face contact would be amazing.

hahaboink · 26/01/2021 18:30

Re rotas, I wonder if some of the people who have used a key worker place but don’t necessarily need it would be happy to revert to a rota basis to allow more children to attend.

formerbabe · 26/01/2021 18:33

@Legseleven1990and

Oh God that is awful...I'd be absolutely fuming. With 26 in, may as well have all 30 in. If I was you, I'd be phoning the school every single day. I massively sympathise...My dd is really struggling too. I also feel so bitter about kw provision...so many parents I know are taking the absolute piss.

I'm praying my dc can go back asap...I genuinely feel tortured watching them struggle and being powerless.

itsgettingweird · 26/01/2021 18:38

@hahaboink

I would love it if there was some way my primary kids could do something in person Even if it was just outdoor sports in a small group once a week. Having some face to face contact would be amazing.
Agree that's something that would be so low risk yet so beneficial.
Fembot123 · 26/01/2021 18:45

@Legseleven1990

26 out of 30 children in my daughter's primary 2 class are in as keyworker/vulnerable children. In their normal class, with their normal teacher, getting taught lessons. My dd is ridiculously struggling. She is miserable, angry, frustrated. She's hardly eating, wetting the bed. Please don't tell me to get a grip.

Either get stricter on the keyworker policy and close the schools properly (like the first lockdown), or else open them to all children. This ridiculous half-lockdown will drag on for ages unnecessarily, while the children who are off suffer miserably, and the gap between the education of those in school, and those out of school widens.

I appreciate this isn't an issue across the board at all schools, but I'm perfectly entitled to feel angry at the hand I've been dealt. My daughter is only 1 of 4 in her class that aren't in (the school as a whole has 70% of students still in). Previous to lockdown, not a single one of the school's bubbles had burst and they were managing very well, but yet it had to close it doors because other schools weren't. Dont tell me to "get a grip."

I understand that some children may be coping well with homeschooling, some even thriving, but mine isn't. I also understand that some parents want them to stay closed due to having children/family members/teaching staff who are EV/CEV but my child isn't.

I don't think there is an easy solution, or a fair one for that matter. But I'm sick of people who are coping at home, or who need to be at home, telling those who are suffering at home "to get a grip." Equally when the schools were open, I don't think it was fair for parents who could cope with the risk of them open to tell the parents of those who were worried to "just take your kids out of school then" or "keep the vulnerable shielded and let the rest of us get on with our live." That is equally very selfish.

It's not a black and white issue, it's a grey one of various shades. Keeping the schools closed is unfair and selfish to the children who otherwise are fine and aren't at risk at school, but are now suffering, are miserable and missing out on their education and social life. Keeping them open as they were is ridiculously unfair and selfish to the children who are at risk, or have family members at risk, and teaching staff etc.

I personally want them open, because that is what is best for me and my children. But I'm very aware that my personal circumstances are not the same as everyone else's. There is no right answer when it comes to open/shut. But the government needs to do better to find a balance. And the concerns of those who are homeschooling miserable children has to stop being minimised. There's another thread on the go of parents sharing their experiences of how their children ARE suffering being home.

That’s awful legs 😨 your poor DD.
MissTeree · 26/01/2021 19:01

I would love it if there was some way my primary kids could do something in person Even if it was just outdoor sports in a small group once a week. Having some face to face contact would be amazing

This is exactly what I would like for my dc. Once or twice a week, outdoor session with other kids at school would definitely keep them happy.

Kitcat122 · 26/01/2021 19:04

@Hahaboink I totally agree. There are some very selfish parents putting their children in school when it's not vital. Everyday I help their children in school, then go home to my children (who I could plead need school as I'm in everyday) and help them with the work they struggled to do.

Xenia · 26/01/2021 19:06

So m any parents' work is critical to the nation that we have ended up with a situation where a few children with a housewife as a parent or parents not in critical jobs are in a small minority not receiving much education. It ends up being an issue of extreme unfairness against the few in those cases. Obviously varies from class to class and school to school of course. the sooner we fully reopen schools (without masks) the better.

HauntedPencil · 26/01/2021 19:06

@MissTeree

I would love it if there was some way my primary kids could do something in person Even if it was just outdoor sports in a small group once a week. Having some face to face contact would be amazing

This is exactly what I would like for my dc. Once or twice a week, outdoor session with other kids at school would definitely keep them happy.

Yes definitely it would make a huge difference
TiersBeforeBedtime · 26/01/2021 19:11

@Legseleven1990 It is heartbreaking to read your post. I can't believe there is a parent in the universe who would read it and think you should be "getting a grip".

It is just horrendous.

MarshaBradyo · 26/01/2021 19:13

Legs that is so, so hard. The worst situation.

The only saving grace here is our school had been extremely strict on numbers and TA is in not teacher.

You are doing so well to post as you do

SansaSnark · 26/01/2021 19:15

@Xenia

So m any parents' work is critical to the nation that we have ended up with a situation where a few children with a housewife as a parent or parents not in critical jobs are in a small minority not receiving much education. It ends up being an issue of extreme unfairness against the few in those cases. Obviously varies from class to class and school to school of course. the sooner we fully reopen schools (without masks) the better.
And if some of those critical workers die, so be it, I guess?
CallmeAngelina · 26/01/2021 19:18

My friend's son's school sent out a message yesterday, after the weekend's snowfall, asking people to only send in their children "if it's absolutely vital."
Surely that's what KW attendance is meant to be anyway?

ineedaholidaynow · 26/01/2021 19:26

@Xenia is happy to die for the cause, she has said so many times

Smiledwiththerisingsun · 26/01/2021 19:35

🤞🤞🤞🤞

mumwalk · 26/01/2021 19:35

@callmeangelina You would think/hope so, but doesn't appear to be the case. I don't think it should ever have been at the discretion of the school. There are very many, if not all, kids suffering but some parents seem to have managed to secure places they wanted but did not need.

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