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Primary schools back sooner than expected?

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deeplybaffled · 26/01/2021 07:58

It’s hard to know what to believe, but PHE now seem to be suggesting that primary schools can safely return after half term - which seems to contradict all other recent reports and government comments
focussing around Easter!

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FrippEnos · 26/01/2021 17:09

I would like to know where those going on about the mental health of children have been for the last ten years or so whilst the provision for this has been decimated?

But then I suspect that where ever it was they will go back to it after going back to school "solves" this issue.

Justthebeerlighttoguide · 26/01/2021 17:11

100, 000s deaths today.

Incredibly high no, 35000 people, way above April peak, Chris whitty says are in hospital.

Deaths have flattened but still at a very high number.

Wow this Sunday will be a year since 2 people treated in hospital with cornora! In Newcastle!

Legseleven1990 · 26/01/2021 17:15

26 out of 30 children in my daughter's primary 2 class are in as keyworker/vulnerable children. In their normal class, with their normal teacher, getting taught lessons. My dd is ridiculously struggling. She is miserable, angry, frustrated. She's hardly eating, wetting the bed. Please don't tell me to get a grip.

Either get stricter on the keyworker policy and close the schools properly (like the first lockdown), or else open them to all children. This ridiculous half-lockdown will drag on for ages unnecessarily, while the children who are off suffer miserably, and the gap between the education of those in school, and those out of school widens.

I appreciate this isn't an issue across the board at all schools, but I'm perfectly entitled to feel angry at the hand I've been dealt. My daughter is only 1 of 4 in her class that aren't in (the school as a whole has 70% of students still in). Previous to lockdown, not a single one of the school's bubbles had burst and they were managing very well, but yet it had to close it doors because other schools weren't. Dont tell me to "get a grip."

I understand that some children may be coping well with homeschooling, some even thriving, but mine isn't. I also understand that some parents want them to stay closed due to having children/family members/teaching staff who are EV/CEV but my child isn't.

I don't think there is an easy solution, or a fair one for that matter. But I'm sick of people who are coping at home, or who need to be at home, telling those who are suffering at home "to get a grip." Equally when the schools were open, I don't think it was fair for parents who could cope with the risk of them open to tell the parents of those who were worried to "just take your kids out of school then" or "keep the vulnerable shielded and let the rest of us get on with our live." That is equally very selfish.

It's not a black and white issue, it's a grey one of various shades. Keeping the schools closed is unfair and selfish to the children who otherwise are fine and aren't at risk at school, but are now suffering, are miserable and missing out on their education and social life. Keeping them open as they were is ridiculously unfair and selfish to the children who are at risk, or have family members at risk, and teaching staff etc.

I personally want them open, because that is what is best for me and my children. But I'm very aware that my personal circumstances are not the same as everyone else's. There is no right answer when it comes to open/shut. But the government needs to do better to find a balance. And the concerns of those who are homeschooling miserable children has to stop being minimised. There's another thread on the go of parents sharing their experiences of how their children ARE suffering being home.

MarshaBradyo · 26/01/2021 17:15

@FrippEnos

I would like to know where those going on about the mental health of children have been for the last ten years or so whilst the provision for this has been decimated?

But then I suspect that where ever it was they will go back to it after going back to school "solves" this issue.

So you want a site where people call mh issues laughable... Or not.

If you have an issue with posters saying it’s off I don’t really give af.

MarshaBradyo · 26/01/2021 17:16

@pinkpip100

What would make you feel it was ok? Were numbers last term ok, enough to attend?

@MarshaBradyo
Beginning of last term, yes. During and after November lockdown - although CV/CEV children were expected in school - it felt very unsafe.
I do think smaller class sizes are needed and that finding ways to enable this should have been prioritised, instead it has just been ignored. And yes, ventilation (again, more than just 'open windows' which isn't always feasible), and masks for those who can. I'm not an expert, but I certainly wish that those who are were being consulted on this. Instead I fear schools will be back 'as normal' in few weeks, and CV/CEV children will yet again be forgotten.
Thank you for asking though.

Pink I can absolutely see it’s very tough
FrippEnos · 26/01/2021 17:19

MarshaBradyo

So you want a site where people call mh issues laughable... Or not.

If you have an issue with posters saying it’s off I don’t really give af.

Not sure why you are reading this shit in to what I have posted.

The mental health issues in children were there before Covid, they will be there after Covid.

It is NOT a laughing matter. but then many of those saying that its "off" couldn't give a fuck before and they won't give a fuck afterwards either.

HauntedPencil · 26/01/2021 17:21

@Legseleven1990

26 out of 30 children in my daughter's primary 2 class are in as keyworker/vulnerable children. In their normal class, with their normal teacher, getting taught lessons. My dd is ridiculously struggling. She is miserable, angry, frustrated. She's hardly eating, wetting the bed. Please don't tell me to get a grip.

Either get stricter on the keyworker policy and close the schools properly (like the first lockdown), or else open them to all children. This ridiculous half-lockdown will drag on for ages unnecessarily, while the children who are off suffer miserably, and the gap between the education of those in school, and those out of school widens.

I appreciate this isn't an issue across the board at all schools, but I'm perfectly entitled to feel angry at the hand I've been dealt. My daughter is only 1 of 4 in her class that aren't in (the school as a whole has 70% of students still in). Previous to lockdown, not a single one of the school's bubbles had burst and they were managing very well, but yet it had to close it doors because other schools weren't. Dont tell me to "get a grip."

I understand that some children may be coping well with homeschooling, some even thriving, but mine isn't. I also understand that some parents want them to stay closed due to having children/family members/teaching staff who are EV/CEV but my child isn't.

I don't think there is an easy solution, or a fair one for that matter. But I'm sick of people who are coping at home, or who need to be at home, telling those who are suffering at home "to get a grip." Equally when the schools were open, I don't think it was fair for parents who could cope with the risk of them open to tell the parents of those who were worried to "just take your kids out of school then" or "keep the vulnerable shielded and let the rest of us get on with our live." That is equally very selfish.

It's not a black and white issue, it's a grey one of various shades. Keeping the schools closed is unfair and selfish to the children who otherwise are fine and aren't at risk at school, but are now suffering, are miserable and missing out on their education and social life. Keeping them open as they were is ridiculously unfair and selfish to the children who are at risk, or have family members at risk, and teaching staff etc.

I personally want them open, because that is what is best for me and my children. But I'm very aware that my personal circumstances are not the same as everyone else's. There is no right answer when it comes to open/shut. But the government needs to do better to find a balance. And the concerns of those who are homeschooling miserable children has to stop being minimised. There's another thread on the go of parents sharing their experiences of how their children ARE suffering being home.

I don't blame you - that's really tough.
lavenderlou · 26/01/2021 17:23

If and when schools do reopen fully, parents need to be prepared for further disruption and isolation periods. We have around 25 % of our children in (primary), in four separate bubbles. Children in 3 separate bubbles have tested positive in the last 3 weeks, resulting in each of those bubbles having to be closed for 10 days. In each case, at least one parent in the household also tested positive.

HazeyJaneII · 26/01/2021 17:23

@Legseleven1990
I'm sorry your child is struggling so badly - ate the school not able to help in any way?

MarshaBradyo · 26/01/2021 17:25

Nope if read some of the crap on mh on here in last years I would have found it as abhorrent as I do today.

Now there’s so many more posters minimising and disbelieving atm. It’s obviously a battle of wants from adults but dc mh should be left alone always.

MarshaBradyo · 26/01/2021 17:26

To Fripp left alone as in not up for minimising etc

Justthebeerlighttoguide · 26/01/2021 17:26

Chris whitty said, everything we are doing is just about holding it.

Just about holding it....

100,000 deaths..

flumposie · 26/01/2021 17:38

We have 35,000 people in hospital. 100,000 people dead. I've not heard of any changes suggested in how schools will return in a safe way. And yet people still ask when schools will return. They can not simply open to everyone as they did in September. Where is the plan ?

girlgonenorth · 26/01/2021 17:39

@lavenderlou

If and when schools do reopen fully, parents need to be prepared for further disruption and isolation periods. We have around 25 % of our children in (primary), in four separate bubbles. Children in 3 separate bubbles have tested positive in the last 3 weeks, resulting in each of those bubbles having to be closed for 10 days. In each case, at least one parent in the household also tested positive.
this, my dc are in secondary and doing ok, but would prefer to be in school. In September the bubbles worked for about four weeks, then there were just two or three positive cases, so several bubbles had to self isolate, then a whole year was off for a week as they weren't sure they were in top of it, then another year group for a week. Several teachers had it. One of my Dc caught it at school. Several families I knew, al with school age children, had it.Then my ds friend's dad died of it in mid December. By that point having schools open didn't feel like such a good idea any more.
HauntedPencil · 26/01/2021 17:43

@flumposie

We have 35,000 people in hospital. 100,000 people dead. I've not heard of any changes suggested in how schools will return in a safe way. And yet people still ask when schools will return. They can not simply open to everyone as they did in September. Where is the plan ?
Why can't people ask about schools and what the plan is?

I don't think the very vast majority of people expect the doors to swing open the day after half term and all the kids go in.

pinkpip100 · 26/01/2021 17:48

I don't think the very vast majority of people expect the doors to swing open the day after half term and all the kids go in.

I get the feeling lots of people do want/expect this though - at least for primary schools. The discussions around how to make the return to school safer just don't seem to be happening - instead the focus is on an open/closed dichotomy.

MarshaBradyo · 26/01/2021 17:54

The trouble is in a primary that is 50% full there’s only two options

  • increase number of dc, ok you could split it out over days but it wouldn't allow SD. And non KW dc might be in one day each
  • or take out KW dc to really split it up
Fortherosesjoni70 · 26/01/2021 17:57

@flumposie

We have 35,000 people in hospital. 100,000 people dead. I've not heard of any changes suggested in how schools will return in a safe way. And yet people still ask when schools will return. They can not simply open to everyone as they did in September. Where is the plan ?
It is utterly SHAMEFUL with 100000 deaths that this is even being asked.
Legseleven1990 · 26/01/2021 17:58

@hazeyJanell I've an ongoing email chain with them, but there has been nothing resolved. I've also highlighted with our local MP, but I'm getting nowhere fast.

Fortherosesjoni70 · 26/01/2021 17:59

@pinkpip100

I don't think the very vast majority of people expect the doors to swing open the day after half term and all the kids go in.

I get the feeling lots of people do want/expect this though - at least for primary schools. The discussions around how to make the return to school safer just don't seem to be happening - instead the focus is on an open/closed dichotomy.

I do believe in the world of mumsnet that many do. Despite people on here having no idea about how the new variant may affect their children despite anything else. The situation is not normal. Schools cannot be normal.
MarshaBradyo · 26/01/2021 17:59

It’s off the back of PHE article - is it PHE you are angry with?

CarpeVitam · 26/01/2021 18:01

@Fortherosesjoni70 ,

"I do believe in the world of mumsnet that many do.
Despite people on here having no idea about how the new variant may affect their children despite anything else.
The situation is not normal.
Schools cannot be normal."

Exactly!

pinkpip100 · 26/01/2021 18:03

The trouble is in a primary that is 50% full there’s only two options

Maybe needs to be looked at on a local basis by individual schools then? As some will have a lot less than 50% KWV currently, and certainly not all full time, so could look at split week or half day rotas for non KWV? Even 1-2 days per week (or half days) would be better than none at all. And those that can't achieve this - some might have adequate staffing levels to use additional buildings...? I've read ideas on here for childcare hubs of some sort for KWV children for their off-rota days/hours...?
I am sure there are massive flaws in these ideas but I just wish some thought was being given to this, rather than just accepting that it's all or nothing.

HauntedPencil · 26/01/2021 18:04

Why is there so much squashing if discussion on it though?

That's what strikes me on these threads

FrippEnos · 26/01/2021 18:08

MarshaBradyo

I agree that dc mental health should not be minimised.

And using it as a reason to rush back in to opening schools is wrong.

The only real way to protect the mental health of children who are suffering due to lockdown is to have a plan that enables schools to open and stay open in a safe and sustainable manner.

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