Riots against lockdown in Europe

[Downriver]

The scenes of young people burning down a COVID testing facility in the Netherlands and burning the Danish PM at a stake in protest against lockdown have really shaken me. Would it happen here? Who is organising this? Fascists? Sometimes I read comments against lockdown on here and I think such a mood is being primed.

Surpised it hasn't happened aready. People are at the end of their tether

@earthyfire this is Britain. People tut and moan and whinge not protest.

@Justthebeerlighttoguide case in point with the war references
Most people have not been down the trenches and what is happening to them now is probably the worst time of their lives so far . Stop minimizing .

@furonthecoat

But it is the fact it is young people that interests me. It is not those under massive stress of wfh and homeschooling etc. I just want to know the demographic, the motives, whether the Q people have got into their heads.

OP your narrative of this is exactly why young people are rioting. You think we're not under stress and should just put up and shut up and that you have it the hardest of all

Young people are being locked away for what we're always told is 'the best years of our lives'
We're the majority of people employed in industries that have been massively affected and shut down by COVID (bars
We've been largely ignored by the government except when they want to vilify and blame us
Uni students are paying the same amount for massively reduced teaching, restricted access to resources and no 'uni experience' (clubs, societies, ect) that we were promised
Students are paying massive amounts of rent for accomodation they can't use with not even a mention of rebates by the government
Young people are aware that we're the ones who are going to pay for this in the long run whilst simultaneously seeing our futures decimated as there are no jobs
We're being locked away to protect an NHS that realistically many of us think won't be there by the time we'll really need its services
We're staying home to (mostly) protect the elderly whom are comfortable in their big houses with their pensions whilst we have no hopes of ever getting on the housing ladder and will never realistically get a pension.

Young people feel like we're giving up tons of things for other people. And then when we dare complain about what we've had to give up were told by people like you that we have it so easy with not having to home school and to put up and shut up - essentially diminishing our struggles.

We've all been asked to sacrifice during this time. But not everyone's sacrifices are as great as others. And for many the sacrifices is not proportional to the gain.

Fully agree. Particularly with the way that Uni students were lied to in order to get them to sign up for their courses and accommodation. Some Uni websites promised face to face teaching, clubs & societies, etc in August (before the deadlines), but changed once people had signed up to their courses/accommodation, in early September. That's a matter of provable fact as there are websites which show previous versions of webpages on different dates. Case rates weren't rising enough at end August/early September to justify a change in the Uni's offerings, so they knew all the time that most courses would have bugger all face to face, clubs & societies weren't running, etc. They just lied to fill the courses and Uni halls. They won't be forgiven for doing that. Nor for continuing to refuse to offer refunds for accommodation that their students can't occupy (where unis' themselves are telling students to stay at home!). £15k per year for what is effectively an Open University remote course costing just a fraction of that.

@Justthebeerlighttoguide

But in this case surely its just the un happy youth

Some still believe in fairies unfortunately

So who shouldn’t we be looking after so our youth can have everything? Anyone over 70? Anyone who is CEV? Anyone with long term illnesses? Diabetics? Cancer patients as their treatment will cost money? Anyone who has paid off their mortgage? They have everything so they have no right to a life now

I am not sure soldiers who were in the trenches at 17 would say that these youths are loosing everything?

Ffs why is always 'someone had it worse'. You can't just minimise everything else because one period in history is deemed to be worse.
This is shit. Youths are losing a lot and will it for it for years and we can't minimise that.

[quote trulydelicious]@Downriver

Who is organising this? Fascists

The Left. They want to take over[/quote]
Lol! its the right that don't want lockdown, even johnson is having to deal with the the rightwing of the tory party, probably why we have had such lite lockdowns, a terrible death rate.... hence why we haven't seen the protests against restrictions here.

However, the OP's title is a little sensationalist, europe is a big place, 450m people, a few 1000s protesting.

We have protestors outside hospitals shouting at staff "its a hoax" instead.

First time I've ever heard Nigel Farage and his party described as "left wing".

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54777346

www.thenational.scot/news/19034570.reform-uk-experts-raise-fears-michelle-ballantynes-dangerous-covid-comments/

Fools - the fastest way out of this and the quickest way to rebuild the economy is to get the pandemic under control.

You cant force people to consume if they think doing so will kill them.

[quote trulydelicious]@HmmSureJan

I don't believe it's fascists at all. Far more likely the far left taking advantage of the current dissatisfaction to push their Marxist agenda

Exactly

They appear to be doing the rounds on MN too[/quote]
The far left pushing their Marxist agenda? By burning coronavirus testing centres? What does that have to do with Marxism exactly?
And since when did Marxism become a Far Left agenda? Are you just parroting Daily Mail propaganda or do you actually know what Marxism is?

£15k per year for what is effectively an Open University remote course costing just a fraction of that.

The course fees are a maximum of 9K a year. Open University remote course is not a fraction of that nowadays.

there have been protests all along in europe

Because there are self centred, anti-government, libertarians in every society 🤷🏻‍♀️

Not sure what you want people to say, so here is a bad requoting of a Terry Pratchett axiom: the IQ of a mob is the IQ of the least intelligent member divided by the number of people.

@furonthecoat

But it is the fact it is young people that interests me. It is not those under massive stress of wfh and homeschooling etc. I just want to know the demographic, the motives, whether the Q people have got into their heads.

OP your narrative of this is exactly why young people are rioting. You think we're not under stress and should just put up and shut up and that you have it the hardest of all

Young people are being locked away for what we're always told is 'the best years of our lives'
We're the majority of people employed in industries that have been massively affected and shut down by COVID (bars
We've been largely ignored by the government except when they want to vilify and blame us
Uni students are paying the same amount for massively reduced teaching, restricted access to resources and no 'uni experience' (clubs, societies, ect) that we were promised
Students are paying massive amounts of rent for accomodation they can't use with not even a mention of rebates by the government
Young people are aware that we're the ones who are going to pay for this in the long run whilst simultaneously seeing our futures decimated as there are no jobs
We're being locked away to protect an NHS that realistically many of us think won't be there by the time we'll really need its services
We're staying home to (mostly) protect the elderly whom are comfortable in their big houses with their pensions whilst we have no hopes of ever getting on the housing ladder and will never realistically get a pension.

Young people feel like we're giving up tons of things for other people. And then when we dare complain about what we've had to give up were told by people like you that we have it so easy with not having to home school and to put up and shut up - essentially diminishing our struggles.

We've all been asked to sacrifice during this time. But not everyone's sacrifices are as great as others. And for many the sacrifices is not proportional to the gain.

Hear hear!!!! 👏🏻

I can totally understand why young people have got to this point.

@Downriver

Yes, but burning down a COVID testing centre? That is just psychotic, no.

And no way is this the Left, not the Left I know. Give me some proof.

There is actually quite a degree of overlap between Green-Leftie types and right wing libertarian types when it comes to Covid denial, anti-lockdown and anti-vaxxer sentiment.

@furonthecoat

But it is the fact it is young people that interests me. It is not those under massive stress of wfh and homeschooling etc. I just want to know the demographic, the motives, whether the Q people have got into their heads.

OP your narrative of this is exactly why young people are rioting. You think we're not under stress and should just put up and shut up and that you have it the hardest of all

Young people are being locked away for what we're always told is 'the best years of our lives'
We're the majority of people employed in industries that have been massively affected and shut down by COVID (bars
We've been largely ignored by the government except when they want to vilify and blame us
Uni students are paying the same amount for massively reduced teaching, restricted access to resources and no 'uni experience' (clubs, societies, ect) that we were promised
Students are paying massive amounts of rent for accomodation they can't use with not even a mention of rebates by the government
Young people are aware that we're the ones who are going to pay for this in the long run whilst simultaneously seeing our futures decimated as there are no jobs
We're being locked away to protect an NHS that realistically many of us think won't be there by the time we'll really need its services
We're staying home to (mostly) protect the elderly whom are comfortable in their big houses with their pensions whilst we have no hopes of ever getting on the housing ladder and will never realistically get a pension.

Young people feel like we're giving up tons of things for other people. And then when we dare complain about what we've had to give up were told by people like you that we have it so easy with not having to home school and to put up and shut up - essentially diminishing our struggles.

We've all been asked to sacrifice during this time. But not everyone's sacrifices are as great as others. And for many the sacrifices is not proportional to the gain.

Fantastic post

The course fees are a maximum of 9K a year. Open University remote course is not a fraction of that nowadays.

I'm assuming the 15K also includes the cost of accommodation. I saw a student on the news saying her uni is currently charging her £150/week for accomodation that she is barred from entering.

Dodo "I've just come off a call to a friend of mine in the Netherlands, and she's afraid to leave her house right now"

So it's countrywide? And if you don't mind me asking, is she in a residential area?

I have been hiding from news so I didn't realise the Portland/Seattle lot had started again.

One of my friends in the Netherlands is one of these people. She says that the death rate from Covid is now down to 0.21% and that their ICU’s are not full. (I have no idea where this data is coming from, btw...) She claims that all the people who were to have died from Covid are already dead now, and compared to the yearly flu season, it’s not as bad. (Wtf!?!) Also, the normal flu last year was very mild, so she is seeing a conspiracy there as well. I pointed out that the normal flu did not get a chance to spread as everyone was kind of in a lockdown, but she didn’t want to hear that bit... sorry. Her theory is very “Direct and Practical” Dutch, that the world is over-populated and this is nature’s way of sorting it out. (Then there is a heap of other political stuff too....) Gaaah.... I’m in Australia shitting myself because I know we’re in a very privileged state at the moment, but people are taking this for granted. It doesn’t take much to turn into a full-blown disaster, and our batshit Prime Minister would love to re-open our borders. It is our State Health Ministers that are holding the borders closed for the first time in our history, keeping us safe for the time being and it’s a fragile and tense situation.

I'm surprised there isn't more of this and that people are so compliant to be honest

It's because they have been microchipped brainwashed.

I’m astonished it’s not been more widespread. If you’d told me that people would have quietly accepted the destruction of their businesses, their employers, the economy, their children’s education, and would tolerate the government telling them who they may have in their houses and where they they may travel and whether or not they can hug their mothers, I’d have declared you insane.

With the news that schools won’t go back before Easter, it’s time for some that outrage here (not burning testing centres obviously)

[quote trulydelicious]@Downriver

Would it happen here

No. They would be prosecuted[/quote]
eh, that doesn't mean it wouldn't happen. They'll likely be prosecuted there too but it doesn't mean it wont continue to happen.

I am surprised that people are surprised by this.

You lock people up for a year and then you're shocked because they're getting a bit fucked off?

For the moment, the UK have a very high death rate, so people can SEE that there is good reason to stay at home. Good reason to keep our infection rate down by staying in.

However.

This is going to evaporate in the coming weeks. As the infection rate drops as it is already doing, and the hospital admission rate continues to decline then keeping people locked down for what is now approaching a full year will no longer be supported by anyone.

It is at that time I think we will see compliance disappearing. Not with riots or with violence, but I do think people have had enough.

@Justthebeerlighttoguide

The far left and the far right meet in the middle - both want to subvert society and bring a down fall to government and law and order.

BUt in this case surely its just the un happy youth ?

Indeed. That's why it's dangerous to label these issues as fascist because this allows the equally dangerous far left to act unchallenged.