Riots against lockdown in Europe

[Downriver]

The scenes of young people burning down a COVID testing facility in the Netherlands and burning the Danish PM at a stake in protest against lockdown have really shaken me. Would it happen here? Who is organising this? Fascists? Sometimes I read comments against lockdown on here and I think such a mood is being primed.

Agree with what’s been said above and also people have lost faith in the testing because of reports that fragments of virus that can’t infect anyone any longer are leading to false positive results.

Victoriacres - Unless of course covid figures have dropped due to lockdown and vaccination. I do think, people (generally) in the UK will (generally) stick with what is required as the vaccination roll out is going well. It's seeing something actually being done that helps. I think the vaccination programme in The Netherlands has barely started.

To be honest I'm surprised it's taken this long for it to start happening.

These people have had enough and maybe can't see a way out.

All the stuff in Italy with "iopen" too, I can't believe it hasn't happened here yet

[quote ineedaholidaynow]@Bewareoftheblob why is it a good thing to burn down a COVID testing facility and attacking hospitals?[/quote]
Because they've got the balls to protest. It's not about what they burned down, just that they are making it clear that the endless reduction to our freedom can't continue.

@Katie517

To be honest people are getting fed up. They are losing everything they have ever worked for and young people feel like they are having their futures stolen. So it wouldn’t surprise or shock me if we had similar here. Anyone who dares to question lockdown is labeled as a fascist or a covid denier so there is very little people can do to air their frustration aside from protest.

I do think there is a huge disconnect from those sitting comfortable in their big houses with outdoor space and a stable income or furlough enjoying zoom quizzes and baking and those who are struggling to keep businesses afloat, live in poverty or suffering from mental health issues caused by isolation.

Just the fact that you were surprised by people protesting and asked if they were fascists proves my point!

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@furonthecoat Fantastic post

@Downriver

Guess it i just that fluid kind of term - like bolshevik or jew or indeed marxist under the Nazis - that can just be flung around

There's nothing ambiguous about any of these terms - they have proper definitions. You would benefit from doing some reading

I thought it ws the Marxist stasi types who were bringing lockdown about

Wrong again. We're in a pandemic (just in case you haven't realised), hence the lockdown.

So why attack the places that are helping people get out of this.

Bit like the twats/conspiracy theorists protesting outside hospitals where there are people dying of COVID

I don't think it needs to be "primed". The more desperate people get, the angrier they will be.

I can see it happening more often. This is no way to live.

@furonthecoat

But it is the fact it is young people that interests me. It is not those under massive stress of wfh and homeschooling etc. I just want to know the demographic, the motives, whether the Q people have got into their heads.

OP your narrative of this is exactly why young people are rioting. You think we're not under stress and should just put up and shut up and that you have it the hardest of all

Young people are being locked away for what we're always told is 'the best years of our lives'
We're the majority of people employed in industries that have been massively affected and shut down by COVID (bars
We've been largely ignored by the government except when they want to vilify and blame us
Uni students are paying the same amount for massively reduced teaching, restricted access to resources and no 'uni experience' (clubs, societies, ect) that we were promised
Students are paying massive amounts of rent for accomodation they can't use with not even a mention of rebates by the government
Young people are aware that we're the ones who are going to pay for this in the long run whilst simultaneously seeing our futures decimated as there are no jobs
We're being locked away to protect an NHS that realistically many of us think won't be there by the time we'll really need its services
We're staying home to (mostly) protect the elderly whom are comfortable in their big houses with their pensions whilst we have no hopes of ever getting on the housing ladder and will never realistically get a pension.

Young people feel like we're giving up tons of things for other people. And then when we dare complain about what we've had to give up were told by people like you that we have it so easy with not having to home school and to put up and shut up - essentially diminishing our struggles.

We've all been asked to sacrifice during this time. But not everyone's sacrifices are as great as others. And for many the sacrifices is not proportional to the gain.

Couldn't agree more!

I am surprised it hasn't happened here and sooner. How long can we stay locked up for? Everyone I know in real life is fed up.

Not all elderly are comfortable in their large houses and big pensions. There are many elderly in poverty or close to it. Or don’t they count?

@furonthecoat exactly.

@ineedaholidaynow

There are many elderly in poverty or close to it. Or don’t they count

Apparently the elderly are lesser and their suffering doesn't count, according to some

@ineedaholidaynow Symbolic maybe? Or just to make a point about what they see as the problem?

@frozendaisy

Perhaps there is less financial support in the Netherlands. Do you know what the financial support is there?

Yes it might happen here but the UK has much more CCTV, if you get a criminal record your life can be utterly screwed.

And it won't change anything.

Probably better there than in the UK, where we've had Rishi's crazy scattergun approach to furlough, self employed support, etc. Yes, plenty of people in the UK have done very well out of the support schemes, but there are 3 million self employed who were excluded, and lots of workers (temps, new starters, bankrupt employers etc) weren't furloughed. Despite what Rishi says, the UK's support has been VERY badly implemented due to inconsistent and, frankly, baffling rules.

It would help if we stopped trying to classify rioters as "left" or "right": they're people who are at the end of their tether, and if enough of them get sufficiently angry for long enough, their actions could potentially bring down the Dutch government. I've just come off a call to a friend of mine in the Netherlands, and she's afraid to leave her house right now. I'm just thankful that we're not in that position here in the UK - yet.

Just like there are covid deniers there are people denying that lockdown is causing suffering. Just because they are ok , they think everyone is having the same experience of lockdown .
Most people on here will tell you it's great! Just stay home ! It's not like we are living through world war 2 ( a popular one ) . These tend to be women with husbands still in work that can support their family.

@fedup2017

I'm a bit surprised it's not happening more here too. Not sure the whole "fascist" thing holds up.... Would have thought it would be libertarians from across the political spectrum.

Young people have been completely fucked over by all this, short term ( making socialising essentially illegal) having education messed up, and well as long term they are going to be feeling the effects of this for years.
I'm actually surprised more aren't taking to the streets both peacefully and violently. Tbh I would be (peacefully) too if I didn't know that a criminal record would ruin my career.

Yep. I'm absolutely amazed at others saying the young are naive or ignorant of history to protest at the loss of all their freedoms. They are losing everything to protect people who are more likely to already have everything.

The far left and the far right meet in the middle - both want to subvert society and bring a down fall to government and law and order.

BUt in this case surely its just the un happy youth ?

loosing everything

Really?

I am not sure soldiers who were in the trenches at 17 would say that these youths are loosing everything?

@trulydelicious - you are truly wrong - if you knew anything about Nazi history, you would know how the contents of words such as Bolshevik, Jew and Marxist are manipulated for political ends. Read some Voloshinov dearie and come back and tell me what you learnt about the tussle over the sign! Might be a bit too Marxist for you though!

At the start of this there were people that thought if they were good girls and boys and did as they were told that we would all go back to normal and covid would disappear. Anyone that disagrees is naughty and bad and causing covid .
Unfortunately, a year on , they still believe this.

@DodoApplet

It would help if we stopped trying to classify rioters as "left" or "right

It's useful to know exactly who they are in order to be able to gauge their goals

their actions could potentially bring down the Dutch government

There's your answer, this is their goal