Headteachers proposal

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9179961/Headteachers-send-Boris-Johnson-plan-vaccinate-one-million-staff-half-term.html

Headteachers proposed a blueprint to vaccinate all teachers and staff so that pupils can go back after Feb half term. Ministers yet to respond.

@OverTheRainbowLiesOz

Slight flaws -

1. The vaccine takes three weeks to kick in.
2. What about community spread to vulnerable parents and Grandparents?

The vulnerable would have been vaccinated.

Everyone has gone mad. There's never been any evidence that schools are driving community spread. We have months of contact tracing evidence. It was never unsafe for schools to be open, with the possible exception of over-14s.

I despair.

The mutations have been caused by this country letting covid go wild.

Not by Feb, 2falls

@HalfPastThree

Everyone has gone mad. There's never been any evidence that schools are driving community spread. We have months of contact tracing evidence. It was never unsafe for schools to be open, with the possible exception of over-14s.

I despair.

Absolute shit! Listen to indie sage. Even now schools/nurseries open for keyworkers are driving transmission. Honestly.

It’s a few renegade heads. No 10 have already responded and said no. Vaccinating teachers is great but it won’t stop community spread, so schools will not open faster.

Oh and the times are saying Gav is making an announcement this week to manage parents expectations. They aren’t going back in February.

Well in the light that deaths are spiking.
The NHS are overlwhelmed and it is clearly going to get worse.
The mutation is more serious and seems to give a higher mortality.
Its more infections.
Nothing new has been put in place to allow schools to go back.

NO they wont be.

There's never been any evidence that schools are driving community spread

SAGE disagrees. And the evidence.

More than happy to be vaccinated but it wont stop the spread to others.

@noblegiraffe

Not by Feb, 2falls

Not by feb but certainly by mid March.

They won't get the vaccine, the government are already holding back the vaccine in the North, instead of vaccine hubs having enough to do 700 a day, they are only getting 400 a week. Don't forget they need a minimum of 3 weeks between doses, even if they started on Monday they wouldn't be done in time for the week after half term & if they have to wait 12 weeks they won't be done until Easter. It isn't only teaching staff, kids are transmitting it to their families.

@noblegiraffe Indeed.
In fact Indie sage that the schools currently having keyworker children in are adding to cases right now! The primary age group being the worst.

Not by feb but certainly by mid March.

Fingers crossed. But it means that this plan is bollocks.

It takes 28 days after vaccination to have any kind of cover.

And no, priority groups still havent been vaccinated yet....

Keep schools closed for now

@Fortherosesjoni70

Well in the light that deaths are spiking. The NHS are overlwhelmed and it is clearly going to get worse. The mutation is more serious and seems to give a higher mortality. Its more infections. Nothing new has been put in place to allow schools to go back.

NO they wont be.

Well seeing as infections are coming down Deaths and nhs admissions will follow. The evidence the new variant is more deadly is sketchy and indicates only a slightly higher percentage chance of death.

Will the vulnerable have had both doses by mid March

For two top scientist to say that there must be compelling evidence.
It is way more infectious.
Currently the death rate is too high. It is falling only extremely slowly. Any new deaths will compound the situation.

@noblegiraffe

Not by feb but certainly by mid March.

Fingers crossed. But it means that this plan is bollocks.

I wasn't commenting on this plan. Just pointing out if schools are shut to protect vulnerable people and vulnerable people have some protection, coupled with the R rate and infections falling then the criteria for opening schools (to protect the NHS, limit community transmissions) will have been met.

This suggestion appears to be from a group of private school and academy heads, not the NAHT.

@CallmeAngelina

This suggestion appears to be from a group of private school and academy heads, not the NAHT.

Well that says it all really.

According to The Sunday Times, Gav is going to rule out a Feb return this week to give parents a chance to plan. To also manage expectations of a return. They are suggesting after Easter at the earliest and possibly May (I hope not).

I do think he needs to make an announcement though. Too many people (including a few independent heads) don’t seem to understand that vaccinating teachers won’t help get us out if this. Maybe why they’ve decided to actually be honest this time? We shall see.

The amount of arrogance in this proposal is shocking.

A) Do teachers really believe schools are closed to protect them? They’re closed to reduce transmission into the community. Vaccinating a small proportion of people in schools will not have a big impact on this.

B) The vaccines are being prioritised right now for the old and vulnerable and for the people that provide them with health and social care. Which of these people do they want to divert vaccines away from so that they can have them?!

I’m all for people having the vaccine when needed. I’m thrilled that special school staff, who work with often very vulnerable children and provide personal care, have been prioritised for vaccines in my county from next week. I’d be annoyed if this was extended to mainstream school staff therefore depriving others of their needed vaccine.

I'm happy for teachers to be vaccinated.

I'm willing to take the risk of my little disease vectors bringing the illness home against the guarenteed damage to their education and social development happening right now.

My 7 yo doesn't learn much while the teacher either talks to his empty chair as I chase him around the house or buries his head in my lap, and my 10 yo who is not autistic enough or dyspraxic enough or dyslexic enough just about keeps up with the couple of subjects he likes and falls even further behind in his weak areas because it's not worth hours of meltdowns every fucking day when we have no escape from each other.

Grandparents are a non-issue. My little disease vectors haven't had chance to infect them with anything since 2019 due to distance... well half of them died 20+ years before they were born due to heart attacks and cancer.

My children's sacrifice is really not worth it.
My 7 yo needs a school friend after he failed to rebuild the friendships that died in 5.5 months of a two-tier education system and is frozen out again while the children of the worthy stay in school.

the children of the worthy

Nasty.

@BogRollBOGOF

I'm happy for teachers to be vaccinated.

I'm willing to take the risk of my little disease vectors bringing the illness home against the guarenteed damage to their education and social development happening right now.

My 7 yo doesn't learn much while the teacher either talks to his empty chair as I chase him around the house or buries his head in my lap, and my 10 yo who is not autistic enough or dyspraxic enough or dyslexic enough just about keeps up with the couple of subjects he likes and falls even further behind in his weak areas because it's not worth hours of meltdowns every fucking day when we have no escape from each other.

Grandparents are a non-issue. My little disease vectors haven't had chance to infect them with anything since 2019 due to distance... well half of them died 20+ years before they were born due to heart attacks and cancer.

My children's sacrifice is really not worth it.
My 7 yo needs a school friend after he failed to rebuild the friendships that died in 5.5 months of a two-tier education system and is frozen out again while the children of the worthy stay in school.

I don’t know how to say this. It’s not about you. Bojo has to consider everyone, including the risk to the whole country if the NHS collapses.