If the vaccines do not work and lockdown isn't working

[RosieLemonade]

What happens now?
Will this actually be my child's life? Nothing but walks outside the house? I feel emotional but is this truly it now?

Why do the postmen wear shorts?

Even in the worst case in a few years it'll be much like flu (in terms of effect on behaviour, not what it is as an illness) because anyone who is susceptible to it will have passed over and it will just be a permanent low level thing in our society

Will this actually be my child's life? Nothing but walks outside the house?

Yes. None of us will ever leave our homes again, except for walks to the park.

@LetItGoGo

Why do the postmen wear shorts?

To show off their muscular hairy calves

@Nenevalleykayaker good post.

@LetItGoGo

Why do the postmen wear shorts?

Probably because they're just selfish.

Lockdown do work. I people follow them.
Look at schools this time round should only be open for key workers children but it appears that we have a hell of a lot more key workers this year than last year? What’s the difference? So you don’t want to home school this time round so your now a ‘key worker?’ Wake up it your adding to the problem more interactions with other households including the households of REAL front line key workers who are at risk of contracting COVID and thus passing it on to their kids then onto your kids who could pass it onto you or you’re elderly relative. Then what happens if they die?
Then who you going to blame?
The government?
The school?
There is only one person you can blame and that’s yourself for putting everyone at risk because you are not willing to take responsibility for nurturing/teaching your child.

"Whatever you think of the government they’re trying to do their best to look after you."

That's actually where I'm having a lot of upset. Because I don't think they are. I think they're doing their best to look after the economy, which could be argued to be a wider thing, but I don't feel looked after or valued by the government. Not with this death rate.
I'm not at a huge risk, but family I love are, and the not feeling safe or looked after has been one of the worst things to cope with.

@LetItGoGo

Why do the postmen wear shorts?

Their feet smell and their trousers are trying to get away from them

The average efficacy of the flu jab is 40%. So that means that often it is less than 40%--- but it is still considered effective enough to use. So the possibility that the first pfizer jab might be 33% effective isn't as bad as it sounds, where vaccines are concerned. We'll still see benefits.

User2921 I dunno about that. Our postie is short, but he has pretty nice legs.

Maybe postmen wear shorts to provide lockdown eye candy to the desperate? Obviously this doesn't always work because the Post Office doesn't have leg looks as part of its recruitment criteria.

I may be overthinking this.

Build more hospitals and train loads more medical staff. That's literally the only other solution I can think of. I still don't understand why a fraction of the money that has been spent on furlough hasn't been spent on resolving the issues with the nightingale hospitals - a lot of auxiliary medical staff could have been trained in 9 months, freeing up the fully qualified medics/nurses to do the difficult stuff.

Or just start taking the risk. But I think you'd still need the hospitals due to the need to treat other diseases. Unless they went very extreme and stopped admitting anyone with covid over the age of 75 or whatever to free up bedspace, which I don't see happening.

Yes, it will just be local walks for your children for the rest of their lives OP. You are absolutely right. Keep reading the more sensationalist news and posting on social media.

I get it OP.
I’m a bit depressed today too. Thanks for the positive replies that remind us what we know deep down - this will pass eventually
💐

There is a very dramatic headline in the DM at the moment about how if every adult were vaccinated the R rate would still be over 1.
But what it doesn't make clear is that if every adult were vaccinated, nearly everyone would be protected from serious illness with Covid-19. So even if the R rate were over 1, the vast majority of people would be no more unwell than a common cold.

At this stage it isn't about the vaccine making people totally virus free with fully negative PCR tests etc. It is just about eliminating serious illness caused by the vaccines, and that can be achieved by rapidly vaccinating the adult population asap - even just one dose would largely achieve that.

'WiseUpJanetWeiss

Maybe wise up yourself.

For fuck’s sake we don’t yet know how well it prevents infection or how well it prevents transmission.

Why do people do this? Is it an issue with reading comprehension?

It's an issue of having a son working in the research who tells me this is the situation right now. I think he knows better than a random person on mumsnet. It may change, it may not., But that's how it is now.

@claptrapflapjack All sorts of stuff in that article. Somewhat alarming.

@DecemberSun

'WiseUpJanetWeiss

Maybe wise up yourself.

For fuck’s sake we don’t yet know how well it prevents infection or how well it prevents transmission.

Why do people do this? Is it an issue with reading comprehension?

It's an issue of having a son working in the research who tells me this is the situation right now. I think he knows better than a random person on mumsnet. It may change, it may not., But that's how it is now.

I think we need to focus less on the transmission aspect and the ensuring a very small proportion of the population have zero symptoms and never have a positive test.

At this stage, everyone would be happy if we all got one dose the vaccine and almost no-one got symptoms worse than a common cold.

Really, eliminating serious outcomes is all that matters now. If the government would focus on giving one dose to every adult, they would achieve normality a lot sooner and fewer people would get ill and die. All we are achieving now is a tiny subset of the population who won't ever get a positive test, but may still transmit the disease. That is a pointless exercise.

@RosieLemonade
rwalker
WE ALL DIE

fgs calm down
I am not scared of dying. I am scared of living like this for the rest of my life.

Apologies was bit rude .
I think it will come to a natural conclusion with a combination of things having a contribution to the outcome.

People will die
people will recover
people will be vaccinated giving them a % of protection
herd imunity
restrictions
mutations of virus
better treatment
peoples social behaviours changing

A combination off all of the above will get us through this out break
not just one off these measures we need to be all of them .

Lockdown is working, it really is.

The news article this morning saying lockdown isnt working was misreported by journalists. It compares the start of Jan with the start of Dec, before the situation deteriorated (late Dec).

I compile a slider chart on www.covidmessenger.com everyday. About 3 weeks ago every council in England (except one) had rising cases week over week.

Now we have the vast majority of councils with falling cases week over week.

Don't lose heart - lockdown is working.

Lockdowns do work but there’s a couple of caveats; there are differences over defining what worked is. Secondly, lockdowns take time. Approximately four weeks or so to really kick in because of how the virus spreads and will continue to spread through places that can’t lockdown/be avoided although this will start reducing as community transmission falls and finally how and when the government decides to lift restrictions. The December lockdown was a waste of time. Yes there was a new variant to contend with but we also opened with the same number of cases (around 18k) that prompted scientists to start calling for a lockdown in October. We were never going to get much respite reopening with those numbers. If it was concerning in October it was still concerning in December.

Vaccinations definitely do work, but I can’t pretend not to be nervous about how they’re being used. Even if it does turn out to be a massive error we can still pick up at a later date administering them properly within the manufacturers guidelines. Therefore it’s not that they don’t work, it’s that we’d have to wait longer for vaccinations to benefit us. Although there’s still a good chance my concern could be for nothing and it will work.

So the possibility that the first pfizer jab might be 33% effective isn't as bad as it sounds, where vaccines are concerned.

Well it is if you consider that it's 90% if given in accordance with the manufacturers guidelines. Currently everyone having the vaccine is having it off licence which basically means the manufacturer won't guarantee its efficacy. Don't know what the government are playing at, it's like giving someone half a painkiller, only the correct dose will work.

OP I know where you are coming from. Today is a low day for me with the news that lockdown could last for months to come

@NeverForgetYourDreams

OP I know where you are coming from. Today is a low day for me with the news that lockdown could last for months to come

@NeverForgetYourDreams

At the moment, it’s purely speculation.
Not news

It is news that it 'could' last for months to come though.