If schools were a big issue why aren't infectious dropping yet?

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Im aware that English schools have a loose keyworker criteria then Scotland. Scotland is still seeing record deaths hospital admissions etc. Quite often on mm schools got blame for rising infections but most schools have been closed for a month now and our numbers are depressing. Whats causeing it ?
Btw i do think schools need to stay closed with the key worker criteria tightened.

I wish they would stagger the measures more carefully so they could get some actual good data about impact - it's impossible to tell if the schools closing had an impact or if it is the broader lockdown measures. Of course it's both but to make informed policy choices you'd want to disaggregate the two levers. Frustrating as it means next time they'll probably go the whole hog again regardless of impact.

45.5k cases last Tuesday. They’re 33k today. How is that not dropping 🤨

It's looking increasingly like 2m isn't enough space with this new variant.

This is really worrying. Imagine what would happen if they relax and open things too soon.

it's impossible to tell if the schools closing had an impact

Look at the graph. It definitely had an impact on infection rates in school aged kids. Particularly secondary ones. And they are more likely to bring it into their home than they are to catch it at home.

The same thing happened at half term.

@OverTheRainbowLiesOz

It's looking increasingly like 2m isn't enough space with this new variant.

This is really worrying. Imagine what would happen if they relax and open things too soon.

I wonder if surface transmission is higher too? If we have only just closed the borders nw there is a new strain and not before then is the new strain worse and how?

1.Almost all primary schools were in on 4th January.

1. Over 20% of primary school are in school and this number is rising

1. 5% seconday school pupils are still in

1.Almost all primary schools were in on 4th January.

Depends in your definition of almost all!

@JabbyMcJabface

1.Almost all primary schools were in on 4th January.

Depends in your definition of almost all!

I don't know the exact figure,do you? (we kept our DC at home)

I dunno ...
Probably sometime to do with the fact fifty percent of kids are in, in the school I work at. Same as my own children’s school.
They’re currently off isolating at the minute as covid in the classes.

@herecomesthsun

1.Almost all primary schools were in on 4th January.

1. Over 20% of primary school are in school and this number is rising

1. 5% seconday school pupils are still in

She’s talking about Scotland where no school or nursery (‘key worker’ children as exception) opened after the Christmas break.

Our rates are still rising. Uni students started to return here 2 weeks ago. I'm not happy about it but my concerns were shot down by other posters on MN.

14:51Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow.
I agree 😢

Infections from christmas mixing and t2 jaunts to the pub end of Dec. This translated to hospital cases a week or so into January = more deaths for a few weeks now.

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow

Should we just close schools forever?

Then people will not get any infections ever. We will all be safe!!!

Who needs an educated youth?

Hahaha I honestly think this is where the government are going. And, sad to say, the teaching unions.

I honestly think this is where the government are going. The governemt "closed" schools reluctantly.

And, sad to say, the teaching unions

The teaching unions have campaigned for safe schools, not close ones.

Jesus. Government.

The number of infections is definitely going down.

@noblegiraffe thought you might be interested in this re: rapid tests...

www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/coronavirus-tests-lfd-schools-b1786599.html?utm_content=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1611075877
Rapid coronavirus testing scheme ‘may increase rather than decrease’ cases in schools, experts warn

‘Possibility some close contacts who are infected will test negative and will spread virus is not negligible’, scientists say

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@herecomesthsun I don’t I’m afraid. I’ve been searching but all the news reports just repeat the claim that the majority of primary schools opened. But the majority in London and the SE were closed and that must be quite a lot of schools.

@RedToothBrush

The number of infections is definitely going down.

@noblegiraffe thought you might be interested in this re: rapid tests...

www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/coronavirus-tests-lfd-schools-b1786599.html?utm_content=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1611075877
Rapid coronavirus testing scheme ‘may increase rather than decrease’ cases in schools, experts warn

‘Possibility some close contacts who are infected will test negative and will spread virus is not negligible’, scientists say

FANCY THAT.

Thanks Red. Bloody experts are always at least a month behind Mumsnet. We should be consulted on this stuff.

@herecomesthsun based on some very high level analysis roughly 12.5% of schools in England are in London. No idea whether it’s a similar pattern for primary and secondary but you would think not too far off.

[quote JabbyMcJabface]@herecomesthsun I don’t I’m afraid. I’ve been searching but all the news reports just repeat the claim that the majority of primary schools opened. But the majority in London and the SE were closed and that must be quite a lot of schools.[/quote]
According to Laura McInery (education journalist) 3 million children went into school on 4th Jan for one pointless day of post-Christmas mixing before Johnson called lockdown. (Oh but don't forget his justification was that every day in education counts)

My DCs primary was due to open in Tier4 in the home counties but the teachers took union action that Sunday so it had moved to remote learning. The other local schools opened that day and the rates locally were the worst they had ever been.

Ah but that extra day in school represents an extra 40,000 years of learning so I’m sure it was worth all the covid transmission.

Rapid coronavirus testing scheme ‘may increase rather than decrease’ cases in schools, experts warn

Hits head against brick wall. The Government always seem to be one step behind on schools. Why don't they concentrate on making schools safe? There are so many ideas suggested by teachers.

Maybe schools set the country over the tipping point just before closing. Causing community infection to run out of control, even without schools open.