Older people booking holidays

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I've been away from MN for a few days so apologies if this was done.

Following the news that the vaccination programme is in full swing, apparently travel companies have had a rush of older people booking holidays for this summer.

We're being told that behaviour will need to carry on with social distancing, restricting travel etc despite some people having the vaccine.

Young people have been disproportionately affected by the restrictions and been reminded often of their duty to protect the more vulnerable, but apparently those vulnerable people aren't going to give a second thought for the youngsters once they've had the vaccine.

Is this a common view among the, say, 60+ people you know?

Or is it OK, or even good, that some people can start getting back to normal/supporting the economy etc?

How will this kind of 2 tier society operate?

This whole thread baffles me because they haven't said vax is compulsory for travel.

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Jesus! Some of you are seriously warped of thinking!

Replace "older people" with absolutely any other group of people and see what you think!

Absolutely crass! Misinformed, bigoted twattishness!

The only light relief from such concentrated venom comes from the thought that you will all be old soon... and will be relying on the younger generation you are currently raising to think such shite of older people!!

I pointed out on another thread, that if people were saying this about BAME people (also the most at risk of Covid) the whole of MN would be jumping on them from a great height. Likewise if the same venom was aimed at LGBT groups.

Ageism is alive and well and vicious. And yet the perpetrators seem to be oblivious to the fact that they will one day be old, and those they've taught to think so little of the elderly, will follow their lead.

2) The lack of evidence that vaccinated people can't transmit Covid is in no way a suggestion that they can.

The lack of evidence that vaccinated people can't transmit Covid is a good reason for them to be as scrupulously cautious as everyone else.

I’m not that bothered about the boomers getting back to their 2-holidays-a-year life styles (ok, it gets to me a bit). What I want is a full on emergency taxation of their final salary pension schemes and unearned property wealth to help pay for all this mess that has been created, largely to save their lives (which was the right thing to do; and now it’s right it’s paid for fairly).

That’s what you should be pushing for if it annoys you how they’re readying themselves to get back “to normality” (while their children and grandchildren survey they mess they will be paying for for decades).

Quite unbelievable vileness. I have 60 year old friends working frontline in hospitals . I'm full time in school with several other members of staff who are over 60. We are pulling our weight .
We will get the vaccine maybe a few months earlier than those in their 30s. Perhaps someone should set a date we are all allowed to go on holiday so it's fair!!! Why cant young people book holidays
As an added extra we never had holidays as children. There wasnt the money. I first went abroad when I was39. Not many people wait that long now

It's mass travel and open borders that caused all this in the first place.

@StepOutOfLine

Another point conveniently missed by the ageist frothers is the fact that these sales are purported as being over the last 10-15 days Remind me again when the vaccine was rolled out? And then when Tui etc started bombarding people's inboxes with their (admittedly pretty good) offers? Because, I'm no economist, but even I can work out the latter is more relevant than the former.

People always book holidays in January for something to look forward to because it's such a grim month. You can times that by 50 this year.

@CoronaBurana

I’m not that bothered about the boomers getting back to their 2-holidays-a-year life styles (ok, it gets to me a bit). What I want is a full on emergency taxation of their final salary pension schemes and unearned property wealth to help pay for all this mess that has been created, largely to save their lives (which was the right thing to do; and now it’s right it’s paid for fairly).

That’s what you should be pushing for if it annoys you how they’re readying themselves to get back “to normality” (while their children and grandchildren survey they mess they will be paying for for decades).

Oh fgs, enough already with the final salary pension schemes. The % of people retiring on these mythical amounts is minuscule. Yet it gets trotted out like some millennial mantra on ever ageist vile thread on here.

Still, you make yourself sound utterly moronic insinuating the over 50s are the cause of a worldwide pandemic. So that's a plus.

(welcome to MN though @CoronaBurana, you'll fit right in with comments like yours. But I think you know that already )

@StepOutOfLine if it’s truly minuscule then there is nothing to worry about from emergency taxation, as that will only affect those who have them. As I said: the target of people’s disdain shouldn’t be people getting back to their normal lives, it should be on making sure this mess is paid for fairly, which in my view shouldn’t mean dumping it all on the under 40s

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/inside-icu-in-eye-covid-23327838#source=push

My worry is not old people but everyone else once they vaccinated.
They maybe OK going away however they could spread our varient
Also bring new varient back
Its a risk we should ban international travel.

Also I feel like this vaccination programme is one big trial.
They don't know exactly if stop everyone getting it it ir very ill.
They don't know if stops them transmitting to others ie making their middle age children unwell.
They don't know how long immunity lasts.
So many unknown its a gamble.

I must say from my experience in slimming world so many 50 to 70 year old take numerous holidays abroad including members of my own family.
My kids been abroad once as family and think be many years before we can go again.
2021 even harder for us financially than 2020 increased food/ energy and education costs kids being at home.
No mortgage break.
Not eligible any benefits as even daft 500 to self isolate covered middle incomes depleted to next to nothing.

@3asAbird

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/inside-icu-in-eye-covid-23327838#source=push

My worry is not old people but everyone else once they vaccinated.
They maybe OK going away however they could spread our varient
Also bring new varient back
Its a risk we should ban international travel.

Also I feel like this vaccination programme is one big trial.
They don't know exactly if stop everyone getting it it ir very ill.
They don't know if stops them transmitting to others ie making their middle age children unwell.
They don't know how long immunity lasts.
So many unknown its a gamble.

I must say from my experience in slimming world so many 50 to 70 year old take numerous holidays abroad including members of my own family.
My kids been abroad once as family and think be many years before we can go again.
2021 even harder for us financially than 2020 increased food/ energy and education costs kids being at home.
No mortgage break.
Not eligible any benefits as even daft 500 to self isolate covered middle incomes depleted to next to nothing.

Your kids are lucky aren't they. I'm a boomer, first time I went abroad was as a 15 year old on a school trip. Never had a holiday abroad with my parents but then again my father died when I was a child, result of WWII service. I've been abroad 7 times in my life so works out once every ten years. My husband never went abroad as a child, his father died in the 1940s in the armed forces, his mother got by on a war widows pension. Some boomers have multiple holidays, some young people do. You can't judge a whole generation.

[quote CoronaBurana]@StepOutOfLine if it’s truly minuscule then there is nothing to worry about from emergency taxation, as that will only affect those who have them. As I said: the target of people’s disdain shouldn’t be people getting back to their normal lives, it should be on making sure this mess is paid for fairly, which in my view shouldn’t mean dumping it all on the under 40s[/quote]
The Boomers have had a particularly tough year and have earned their holidays.

Not been many older folk out raving with the youngsters. Plenty of youngsters have still been enjoying themselves during this, or out and about.

My neighbours retired hospital consultant DH has gone back to work to assist.

Doctors on COVID wards do STILL not have the proper PPE. Those in ITU do, but not the general COVID wards,

He is over 60. More at risk than younger people if he catches it.

Oh well, if he dies at least he won't be able to go on a holiday to relax once this is all over, so that's something for the OP and the likes of @CoronaBurana to console themselves with.

[quote CoronaBurana]@StepOutOfLine if it’s truly minuscule then there is nothing to worry about from emergency taxation, as that will only affect those who have them. As I said: the target of people’s disdain shouldn’t be people getting back to their normal lives, it should be on making sure this mess is paid for fairly, which in my view shouldn’t mean dumping it all on the under 40s[/quote]
Pensioners already pay tax when their income goes above a certain level.

@3asAbird

It is hard for many many families with young children to go on holiday. You are closer to the start of your earning life so not as flush, you have the expense of kids, housing etc and you have to go in school hols.

Older people have progressed up the earnings ladder and some have amassed savings and a pension. They only only have themselves to pay for and can go out of season.

I am at the youngest end of the so-called Baby Boom, and I never went abroad as a kid, neither did my friends, and I was not able to take my children abroad on holidays either.

Now, I can do modest but interesting holiday abroad once every two years or so.

Pensioners already pay tax when their income goes above a certain level

Yes. The same level as everyone else's.

@ancientgran if your husband was born before the end of WW2 then that cannot make him a boomer. But maybe you are talking about post war army service, in which case ignore me.

@RainingBatsAndFrogs I didn’t say I had a problem with people going on holiday. I just think we need a wealth tax to pay for covid, that should include the significant unearned property wealth and pension wealth of the baby boomer generation. In case you haven’t noticed, the working population and their kids have been hit by the biggest recession in 2 centuries. Income taxes aren’t going to cut it.

@RainingBatsAndFrogs

Pensioners already pay tax when their income goes above a certain level

Yes. The same level as everyone else's.

Do you think it should be higher?

I just think we need a wealth tax to pay for covid, that should include the significant unearned property wealth and pension wealth of the baby boomer generation.

Do you have any evidence for this property wealth?

You do realise people work for their pensions, don't you?

Bloody unfair. I'm under 50 and working and stuck at home as is my teen. To protect the elderly and those with illnesses. Then those over 60 get the vaccine and get to go away

Hope do private vaccinations soon as we will pay so we can have a break from work and this interminable lockdown

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/resolution-found-boomers_uk_5947f1fae4b0cddbb0085500/

[quote CoronaBurana]www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/resolution-found-boomers_uk_5947f1fae4b0cddbb0085500/[/quote]
So why should they be taxed more than anyone else?

@NeverForgetYourDreams

Bloody unfair. I'm under 50 and working and stuck at home as is my teen. To protect the elderly and those with illnesses. Then those over 60 get the vaccine and get to go away

Hope do private vaccinations soon as we will pay so we can have a break from work and this interminable lockdown

The elderly didn't ask to be protected.

They didn't ask for the vaccinations.

Bonkers.

You're all bloody bonkers.

As vaccinations roll out we will ALL benefit. We will ALL be protected. The same rules will apply the All.

Just ALL help one another and follow the guidelines.

And if you don't get why you need to stop thinking you know better and listen