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So Gav says schools could stay shut beyond half term.....

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Coldwinterahead1 · 13/01/2021 14:26

I'm guessing after Easter. What does everyone else think?

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barbites · 13/01/2021 23:48

Well my year 11's education is fucked either way 😩

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 13/01/2021 23:54

@SantaAssociationRepresentitve

Plan for Easter return. Anything earlier is a bonus
Wise words
Babyroobs · 14/01/2021 00:21

@barbites

Well my year 11's education is fucked either way 😩
Yes same for me. I have a year 11, a year 13 and one graduating this year, all equally badly affected.
inquietant · 14/01/2021 01:19

@SophieDahling

The govt won’t give a stuff about rampant spreading in schools if the hospitals aren’t overwhelmed and the ECV aren’t dying. It’ll be business as usual

And? Isn’t this a good thing? Or do you think we should do everything to prevent anyone from ever catching this virus?

I do feel some caution around covid is warranted. Data about, for example, impacts on fertility is only just beginning to be understood.

We just don't know enough and whilst it is comforting to think 'oh it's you not the same as a cold' this isn't scientifically known yet.

inquietant · 14/01/2021 01:20

Confused you not = only

SophieDahling · 14/01/2021 02:11

I'm guessing you mean that teachers need to accept the risks, not you?

But we have been told schools are points of transmission ie children bringing Covid home to their families. So isn’t that everyone accepting risk? Not just teachers? We were specifically told that is why schools had to close.

Summer776 · 14/01/2021 02:21

Just to point out...schools are not closed. I work in a full class with double the amount of pupils previously. School is at 50% capacity. All staff working.

Peppafrig · 14/01/2021 02:40

If they aren’t back for months then they will have missed a full year if you add in last lockdown . They should all repeat then .

Worstyear2020 · 14/01/2021 03:07

This is depressing, my primary age DD will be so behind from half of her class who recieve full lessons and support in school while we wfh trying to keep a roof over our head and food on table and homeschooling.

Oblomov20 · 14/01/2021 03:08

No surprise. I knew that was the case, many weeks ago.

Rainallnight · 14/01/2021 06:22

How did you know, @Oblomov20?

inquietant · 14/01/2021 07:15

@SophieDahling

I'm guessing you mean that teachers need to accept the risks, not you?

But we have been told schools are points of transmission ie children bringing Covid home to their families. So isn’t that everyone accepting risk? Not just teachers? We were specifically told that is why schools had to close.

Parents shouldn't be forced to accept the risk of contracting covid. Neither should bloody teachers obviously but hopefully they'll get vaccinated.

The first job of a government is to protect the citizens (subjects in the case of Britain).

3littlewords · 14/01/2021 07:25

Parents shouldn't be forced to accept the risk of contracting covid. Neither should the bloody teachers but hopefully they'll get vaccinated

We are a very long way off being covid free, we may never ever be covid free. We've never been able to get rid of flu or norovirus or the common cold why would the covid virus be any different? Of course we can do things to reduce the risks for everyone but we'll never make any environment risk free its delusional to think we can.

Oblomov20 · 14/01/2021 07:28

Rain, it was my husband who said it first. I didn't really think it myself I admit. But given the low numbers of vaccinations, people not adhering to rules, those that did adhere to the tikes it not actually working!! It seemed sensible to assume it would be Easter.

It wasn't just my husband you said this, when I mentioned it to all my friends they agreed, saying they thought the same, when I went onto many mumsnet threads there are many other people who were already saying this.

As the weeks have gone on hospitals are getting worse and worse more more people getting it the rules aren't working now they're talking about the restrictions being even greater.

And before long, there were rumblings on social media, then a government official - can't remember which one, it wasn't Hancock I don't think, or maybe it was, said 'hoping to get them back by Easter' , That was a few weeks ago and it just compounded everything else I'd seen and heard.

It wasn't just me I think you find it was all over mums net from quite some time ago.

Remmy123 · 14/01/2021 07:33

Schools are working with 50-75% capacity - not sure they needed to close in the first place, due to this.

I'm struggling to homeschool and I'm also not very good at it so the sooner the better, I'd say Easter

DecemberSun · 14/01/2021 07:36

It’s a shame teachers aren’t more like other key workers such as NHS staff, shop workers, public transport staff etc. They accept we are all in this together, accept we need to keep the country running and just get on with their jobs.

The ignorance is staggering.

All the people you mention can wear masks, the people they deal with have to wear masks and social distancing is enforced. If we are all in this together let the teachers have the same protection as the workers you mention.

I cannot believe the level of ignorance that must exist to not know that.

CallmeAngelina · 14/01/2021 07:39

Well, this is a bit "my neighbours cousin's milkman's wife" but my dh's colleague's husband works for the DfE and word there from just around the start of term was that they're working on the assumption that schools won't be open before easter.

CallmeAngelina · 14/01/2021 07:42

@DecemberSun, I don't know which is worse, actual ignorance spouted as fact, or wilful ignorance, where a poster knows they're talking nonsense but post anyway just to take a pop at teachers.
As if teachers haven't been just getting on with their jobs all the way through.

CallmeAngelina · 14/01/2021 07:43

@Remmy123, the answer to that is to reduce those percentages, not open schools up to 100%

SansaSnark · 14/01/2021 07:48

The thing is, schools could be open now if any effort had actually been made to make them Covid-19 safe - either repurposing other spaces and splitting classes, or some kind of rota system. It's clear having schools open with no social distancing drives transmission.

But it didn't/doesn't have to be this way. If the government had enough imagination/ambition to see past their all or nothing approach to schools, then we wouldn't need such long school closures.

And ironically, in the summer, it was actually unions pushing for an ambitious solution to schools and the DfE ignoring them.

At least part of the reason schools shut is that the Naht (national association of headteachers) started legal action against the DfE and the DfE declined to try and prove schools were legally a safe working environment - which I think tells you all you need to know, really. And safe doesn't mean "no imminent risk of death" - a high risk of catching a nasty illness is also unsafe.

It's also worth bearing in mind that a lot of people in hospital are under 65 and in groups that won't be getting the vaccine any time soon.

So, instead of going for an all or nothing approach that clearly doesn't work, we need to be thinking about solutions for schools that will make them actually safe for both teachers and the wider community.

My personal feeling is that the most viable solution for secondary school is some kind of rota system, with students getting at least some time in school each week.

For primary, where people need the childcare more, it's possibly about recruiting extra temporary staff and spreading students out more - probably by using non-school buildings that aren't in use right now.

Neither of these solutions are perfect obviously, but I think they would be more sustainable than the current all or nothing approach.

SansaSnark · 14/01/2021 07:49

@Remmy123

Schools are working with 50-75% capacity - not sure they needed to close in the first place, due to this.

I'm struggling to homeschool and I'm also not very good at it so the sooner the better, I'd say Easter

Not all schools and not most secondaries, which makes a big difference.
dogsaremypeople · 14/01/2021 07:53

My friends school (she's a teacher) have been told they will be shut until at least 31st March.

ButterflySmith · 14/01/2021 08:01

Sorry this was a major typo!!!!! I said the zooms haven't been great - but they have!!! 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

I think it be Easter... or later before the children return.

My primary dd is getting 3 zoom sessions a day and so far they have been great. She is being taught maths by her usual teacher for one hour using interactive questions where they answer on whiteboards and then complete the work that has been set. After a break she has an English lesson - again, lots of of interaction and work on whiteboards. Afternoon there is a short session of music, PE or a story time session.

A full timetable of lessons would be horrendous - this works perfectly for us at the moment.

ButterflySmith · 14/01/2021 08:02

@Letseatgrandma @RuleWithAWoodenFoot

So sorry - I major typo - the zooms have been great! 🤦‍♀️

MrsMiaWallis · 14/01/2021 08:36

Both mine have had full online school March -July, in school Sept - Dec now online school, full days inc assembly and house meetings (private school). They are totally over it and it's very tiring, they are working from 8.30 - 5 on screens plus Saturday mornings. It's too much.

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