Australia loosing their minds at being offered the Oxford Vaccine..

[MoirasRoses]

I’ve just been pottering through Twitter & came across a trending thread re-Australia mostly buying the Oxford vaccine. They are losing their minds at being offered the less effective vaccine & accusing the government of wanting to ‘kill them’ & being corrupt & pals with Trump (no idea what he’s got to do with a vaccine from the UK).

Why this major over reaction? Compared to the much more positive & hopeful reaction here? I thought more recently data showed Oxford to be 90% if given 12 weeks apart? And even if only 60%, more than good enough? I was reading an article where a couple doctors were saying almost 100% of people did not need hospital treatment or became seriously ill after one dose. That’s incredible..

I’m in Australia. I’ll be getting the vaccine as soon as I can. Not so much because I’m terrified of Covid but because I miss my old life.

I agree with this - in the UK. They literally cannot jab me quick enough (for me). I don't care which one they give me - just stab my arm and let's try and get back to it being relatively safe to live again!

Try being Irish on here. Massive anti-Irish sentiment that MNHQ ignore. Same with the anti-Aussie sentiment

Acceptable forms of racism maybe?

@Blessex

Do people in Australia realise that even with vaccines Covid will spread? It the vaccines don’t stop you catching it. They just lessen the symptoms when you do.

Yes we do. Because we aren't thick. That's why questions are being raised.

@YetAnotherSpartacus

Try being Irish on here. Massive anti-Irish sentiment that MNHQ ignore. Same with the anti-Aussie sentiment

Acceptable forms of racism maybe?

It's only xenophobia so obviously doesn't count.

To be fair tho the Australian cmo has said our vaccine is high quality and will do the job so it's just jo public moaning.

To be fair that’s not quite right. You have left out other important details stated by the CMO.

It was admitted by the CMO that while the Oxford vaccine would prevent serious illness/hospitalisation/death the Pfizer vaccine would go they plus limit transmission and likely establish herd immunity. Given Australia is not in the same position as many other countries such as the UK as we haven’t been hit hard with this when looking at serious illness/hospitalisation/death lots of people are questioning why we can’t wait a bit longer, receive the Pfizer vaccine and fix the bit that is currently causing issues for us opening up and returning to normal which is transmission and herd immunity. Not sure how that becomes a sensationalist headline.

Add in the fact that the main vaccine our govnt ordered (Oxford) is to be made locally by a company that many of the politicians and their mates are in bed with financially and you do end up with a nation suspecting it’s being screwed. Add in everyone’s 100% sure every politician will be receiving the Pfizer vaccine.

But sure, just the public moaning.

I am quite happy for our politicians to go first.

We can see how it goes before rolling out to humans.

*would do this

^I am quite happy for our politicians to go first.

We can see how it goes before rolling out to humans^

SNORK

@Miramour

It is bizarre how many UK posters feel the need to bash Australia and NZ. One can only assume spite is the motive as any fool can see what a colossal hole the UK is in and how well managed COVID is on the other side of the world.

I have never bashed Australia and NZ. Never noticed that others do, but then again, I haven't looked out for it - you obviously have a vested interest so would notice.

Your comment about the UK being a hole is pretty pathetic, when you're complaining about criticism in the opposite direction.

DS is is Sydney, and enjoying life in Australia. However, this last 12 months has made him realise how 'controlling' the Aussie Govt have been (not bashing - fact) in comparison to the UK. He and his many young professional colleagues are questioning whether they want to stay longterm. The distance between them and their various home countries has never seemed so long, and families so far away. Of course, we may have done better in this pandemic if we had been more controlling in the UK.

Glad we've shared our vaccine recipe with Australia though - and hope that those who wish to take advantage of it, are able to do so asap.

Must correct myself re donations to the Pacific Islands. It's half a billion dollars, not half a million.

@ajandjjmum

There are several sly comments on here and a few blatant nasty ones, I suggest you reread the thread to see them.

It’s the same with any Australia/NZ thread.

This thread is getting a bit nasty. The UK and Australia are both very wealthy countries that the majority of the earth's population would give absolutely anything to have the privilege of living in.

Can we stop with the childish comments about how much better we are than the other?

@ajandjjmum, we don't have a controlling 'government.' We have a federalist system - meaning we have many governments, united under a national legislature and executive. As state governments are largely in charge of health, individual state premiers and their governments have been responsible for determining public health responses to the pandemic, in terms of lockdowns etc.

By and large, the Australian electorate has been supportive of these measures.

New South Wales has had virtually no serious lockdowns at all; so I'm not sure what your son is complaining about. Indeed, I'd suggest he's been lucky to live in one of the few places in the world where the pandemic has been managed effectively. He and his colleagues are free to leave if they don't support what the majority of Australians do. It's not his home, after all, as we are no longer a British colony. But it is ours.

@Wakeupalready thank you for your excellent summary.

@Mrbob the sneering, chest-beating British imperialism is a serious problem on mumsnet. Yes @echt - the colonial mentality on this thread is real. And as per usual, characterised by its expression in poorly-constructed sentences with spelling errors, lack of reasoning and terms like 'the Australian logic.'

I believe Dave Sharma was the MP with shares in CSL. I haven't followed it much.

@echt

Here you go...
independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/morrisons-anti-accountability-vaccine-gets-l-np-off-scott-free,14604

Pfizer is a better vaccine but Oxford is more useful because we have lots of doses and it can be rolled out easily in developing countries. If you have a choice get Pfizer, but Oxford will save the world.

[quote Chookie89]@ajandjjmum, we don't have a controlling 'government.' We have a federalist system - meaning we have many governments, united under a national legislature and executive. As state governments are largely in charge of health, individual state premiers and their governments have been responsible for determining public health responses to the pandemic, in terms of lockdowns etc.

By and large, the Australian electorate has been supportive of these measures.

New South Wales has had virtually no serious lockdowns at all; so I'm not sure what your son is complaining about. Indeed, I'd suggest he's been lucky to live in one of the few places in the world where the pandemic has been managed effectively. He and his colleagues are free to leave if they don't support what the majority of Australians do. It's not his home, after all, as we are no longer a British colony. But it is ours.

@Wakeupalready thank you for your excellent summary.

@Mrbob the sneering, chest-beating British imperialism is a serious problem on mumsnet. Yes @echt - the colonial mentality on this thread is real. And as per usual, characterised by its expression in poorly-constructed sentences with spelling errors, lack of reasoning and terms like 'the Australian logic.'

I believe Dave Sharma was the MP with shares in CSL. I haven't followed it much.[/quote]
Dave Sharma and Tim Wilson in Melbourne so far.
Couple of financial investigative reporters are combing through it currently.
And thanks.

Should have guessed tim Wilson, douche bag of the highest order.

@Glenorma

Pfizer is a better vaccine but Oxford is more useful because we have lots of doses and it can be rolled out easily in developing countries. If you have a choice get Pfizer, but Oxford will save the world.

That is exactly my opinion on them.

@Chookie89
He's not complaining (nor am I), but we have been discussing. As adults do. As I said, he's enjoying life in Australia, but has commented that many of his friends and associates are feeling restricted by the constraints.

That is 100% not a criticism of Australia nor the way it has handled the pandemic - simply an observation from his wide group of contacts.

And yes - he appreciates that the impact of the pandemic on him personally has been minimal.

@QualityRoads

Hm. Australian logic? Not famous for it, are they?

Neither are the British with all your travelling in a pandemic,insistence on a 'right' to overseas holidays in a pandemic,fair lure to properly quarantine incoming travellers, your refusal to accept that asymptomatic children spread Covid, electing Boris Johnson ( though our PM is a Hillsong Pentecostal douche whose best mate is a Q Anon supporter) Brexit,this weird ass bubble crap, and all the rubbish I read on here demanding the vulnerable and elderly remain locked away forever( we had that too but most of those commentators got shot down in flames).

I'm sorry for continuing to rant but this thread has got right up my nose, and I'd suggest people in glass house should not throw stones.

@Maudythebudgie

Should have guessed tim Wilson, douche bag of the highest order.

Yes. Colossal knob. If you are on Twitter follow @ronni salt, Jommy T, and Michael West who are digging up all the corruption dirt.

Didn't realise this was a UK vs. Aus thread. Shame.

Try being Irish on here. Massive anti-Irish sentiment that MNHQ ignore. Same with the anti-Aussie sentiment

To be fair, there is an equally huge huge anti-British sentiment on here.

Espoused by Brits themselves.

I meant to only write one 'huge'.

@Changi

To be fair, there is an equally huge huge anti-British sentiment on here

Espoused by Brits themselves

A lot may not be Brit, we don't know