Sir Keir Starmer calling for nursery closure!

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Sorry I’m not sure how to link this but it’s on BBC news.

I'm not surprised. We need a stricter lockdown than March. I'm already homeschooling whilst wfh full-time, and have a child at childminder so we would be impacted further by this. But I still agree with it.

Not surprised either

Good. If we had a stricter lockdown from the start we might be in a better position now.

They need to restrict nurseries (and all education) to 2 KW / V only with tightened definitions. And put in proper legislation to protect parents jobs and salaries when they have to stay home and do childcare instead. None of this ridiculous “we expect employers to be understanding” rubbish that Boris mumbles when he is faced with a difficulty that’s foreign to him.

He's not the only one. Many Tory MPs are as well.

What he said was that he wants to talk to scientists about it. He actually said 'should probably close'.

We are passed the point we were in March and he feels that we haven't embraced the seriousness of the situation. He didn't agree with Boris that the schools shouldn't have closed two weeks before Christmas and people should never have been told that three households were ok, if one contained vulnerable people. He wants the shutting of the stable door, after the horse has bolted to finally come to an end.

He is absolutely right.

From a selfish point of view, I really hope they don’t.

It’s insanity that they’re still open!

Before nursery closes, I would want to see the evidence for how many people catch covid at nursery - I don't know of any "bubbles" that popped in my surrounding area since nurseries when back in June, not even in the lead up to Christmas.

It's one thing for people trying to work with a 5,6,7 year old at home - the majority could be kept busy for 30-60 minutes at a time, even with a movie, an iPad and some snacks.

The children who are at nursery - it's mainly not practical for people to work at home with them around. I reckon if nurseries "closed" there would be a lot more employers who classified their workers as key and declare their jobs could not be done from home, there by needing nursery places.

I am honestly not sure what I'd do if they closed nurseries - cross my fingers for a key worker place, because I can work from home, but I would struggle to get anything done with my 3yo at home. It would be difficult for my teams (currently about 80 nurses and hca's) to function effectively and I'm involved in a lot of work to get vaccinations done, plus keep the "nhs" critical services going. Realistically, I'd probably need to ask for unpaid or parental leave, because it's DH's salary that pays the mortgage, not mine. He's not a key worker, but we would struggle to keep a roof over our heads if he had to take parental leave.

I don't imagine I'm the only key worker who is in that position - and this time round, lots of people are not furloughed like they were previously.

I am torn about it, and I could have my 11 year old in school via key worker place, but she's at home because I think it's best to not use a school place unless it's essential, but closing nurseries is a whole different thing - not many people can effectively work while looking after a pre-schooler or younger.

None of this ridiculous “we expect employers to be understanding” rubbish that Boris mumbles when he is faced with a difficulty that’s foreign to him.

100%

Or asking people to just use their common sense when they aren’t in a position to make a decision.

I’m a childminder, my business won’t survive if I do have to close again. Many nurseries are in the brink. Parents need their childcare to be available from the very day they can go back to work themselves and this work happen if we are forced out of business. It’s a lose lose situation.

He isn’t the only one. Increasing cross party support for it.

Thank god someone still has sense.

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I’m a childminder, my business won’t survive if I do have to close again. Many nurseries are in the brink. Parents need their childcare to be available from the very day they can go back to work themselves and this work happen if we are forced out of business. It’s a lose lose situation.

Yes agree with this.

It will close businesses down.

Thdy havent even given it enough time to see if the school closures is sufficient.

Nurseries should be the last to go after say garden centres! Honestly London looks like it always does. The tube platforms are full but closing nursery isn't going to solve it.

Does any of you have children in nurseries?
Our got 30% of children back after the end of the first lockdown. Parents left their jobs to look after children.
If they close nurseries again then they same happens and nurseries will see about 10% children coming back after lockdown.
Many nurseries will have to close and make their staff redundant.

On the other note, I am surprised no one speaks about closing supermarkets. Their workers are exposed to many more contacts with customers and at higher risk of getting COVID than nursery workers.

Our nursery is open to
kw and vulnerable children only, I'm surprised there are lots that are open

I expect he also wants border closure (to tourists/bullshit "business" travel, not accompanied freight) to ensure nurseries may reopen and women can get back to work as soon as possible? And all the women working in childcare aren't financially destroyed?

No?

Ah Labour, on the side of women as usual.

Keir Starmer has been fucking useless on this.

Where were the Labour Party when the teaching unions were taking unprecedented industrial action over school conditions shortly before Johnson conceded that they needed to close? Tumbleweed.

Exactly Pics

On the other note, I am surprised no one speaks about closing supermarkets. Their workers are exposed to many more contacts with customers and at higher risk of getting COVID than nursery workers.

No, but see that would also inconvenience male shoppers. We can't have that, can we?

We are passed the point we were in March and he feels that we haven't embraced the seriousness of the situation.

I think it’s more accurate to say that Boris Johnson isn’t putting into place the measures required to enable people to take the situation seriously.

In March people did more than they were asked to do and pretty much everything closed. Now many sectors have explicitly been told to stay open (estate agents, construction) and many work places (rightly or wrongly) are open on the basis that they are COVID secure.

It's tricky, I really get why working parents s with nursery age children will struggle, but of course it would have an impact. Not Bly would it reduce contact in the nurseries, but many nursery staff have children who are having to use KW places in schools, so it would reduce the burden/ contact there as well.
The harder we lockdown, the shorter the time we need to lockdown for - I say this as someone who wants schools and nurseries to open to all children again as soon as safely possible.

Yes nurseries need to close and schools need to reduce the amount of kids. This pandemic will take much longer to get under control if they don't take stronger action which would mean a much longer period of time away from school for the rest of the children and teenagers.