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Sir Keir Starmer calling for nursery closure!

999 replies

Boogie5678 · 10/01/2021 10:35

Sorry I’m not sure how to link this but it’s on BBC news.

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catgirl1976 · 10/01/2021 12:00

@Lemons1571 They need to restrict nurseries (and all education) to 2 KW / V only with tightened definitions. And put in proper legislation to protect parents jobs and salaries when they have to stay home and do childcare instead. None of this ridiculous “we expect employers to be understanding” rubbish that Boris mumbles when he is faced with a difficulty that’s foreign to him.

This. 100% this.

TheKeatingFive · 10/01/2021 12:00

This will lead to a collapse of the nursery sector and women’s employment severely compromised for years to come.

So yeah, cheers Keir. Hmm

Wherediditgo · 10/01/2021 12:02

@Musicaldilemma

It is also just not safe for 3 year olds and under to be left unsupervised at home whilst their mum tries to work full time. It basically puts such a child in a vulnerable category even if they are not otherwise.
This.

Wasn’t there a story of someone’s toddler dying when they fell in to a hot tub whilst the mother was on a conference call?

You just can’t do both. It’s impossible and puts very small children at risk when they don’t need to be. Not to mention the huge economic costs!

AgnesNaismith · 10/01/2021 12:03

They need to restrict nurseries (and all education) to 2 KW / V only with tightened definitions. And put in proper legislation to protect parents jobs and salaries when they have to stay home and do childcare instead. None of this ridiculous “we expect employers to be understanding” rubbish that Boris mumbles when he is faced with a difficulty that’s foreign to him

This

The TUC are conducting a survey on the impact of school closures on parents and the way companies are not supporting their employees. Might be worth filling in as the results are being presented to Boris Johnston tomorrow.

www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/2021WorkingParents

Circumlocutious · 10/01/2021 12:03

What would have been sensible from the start is restricting nursery places to those who need to work (not even necessarily key workers). You have plenty of posts on here of SAHM saying they’re still going to their child to nursery and the majority of posters backing them up.

Benjispruce2 · 10/01/2021 12:03

Absolutely they should close if schools are! Can’t see why they were the exception.

Wherediditgo · 10/01/2021 12:03

I never thought I would say this. I voted for Corbyn twice.
If there was another election right now, I’d vote Tory over Labour. Without a doubt.

Changeismyname · 10/01/2021 12:03

Early Years Alliance statement on 5 Jan

Department for Education has provided the Alliance with a response to queries on why early years providers have been asked to remain open during the national lockdown in England, while schools have been instructed to close.

Following a meeting with children and families minister Vicky Ford earlier today, the DfE shared the below response:

The reason schools have been restricted is not that they are unsafe but because additional measures are needed to contain the spread of the virus. The wider restrictions in place as part of the national lockdown to contain the spread of the virus in the community enable us to continue prioritising keeping nurseries and childminders open, supporting parents and delivering the crucial care and education needed for our youngest children.

Early years settings remain low risk environments for children and staff. 0-5 year olds continue to have the lowest confirmed rates of coronavirus of all age groups, and there is no evidence that the new variant of coronavirus disproportionately affects young children. Evidence shows that pre-school children are less susceptible to infection and are not playing a driving role in transmission. There is no evidence the new strain of the virus causes more serious illness in either children or adults and there continues to be strong evidence that children are much less susceptible to severe clinical disease than older people.

PHE advice remains that the risk of transmission and infection is low if early years settings follow the system of controls, which reduce risks and create inherently safer environments.

Early years settings have been open to all children since 1 June and there is no evidence that the early years sector has contributed to a rise in virus cases within the community. Early evidence from SAGE showed that early years provision had a smaller relative impact on transmission rate than primary schools, which in turn had a smaller relative impact than secondary schools.

Early years childcare providers were one of the first sectors to have restrictions lifted last summer, in recognition of the key role they play in society. Childminders and nursery staff across the country have worked hard to keep settings open through the pandemic so that young children can be educated, and parents can work. The earliest years are the most crucial point of child development and attending early education lays the foundation for lifelong learning and supports children’s social and emotional development. We continue to prioritise keeping early years settings open in full because of the clear benefits to children’s education and wellbeing and to support working parents. Caring for the youngest age group is not something that can be done remotely

GoldenOmber · 10/01/2021 12:04

I dread to think how I could do that with a toddler and hats off to people who manage to work from home with one... Please tell me how

It’s horrendous. Feels like failing at both work and parenting all the time. I do a lot of emails and calls from my phone while walking around the house/garden after my toddler, and I cram in hours at my laptop after the DC are all in bed (except that’s really late now because there’s no school/nursery to tire them out). It isn’t enough and I’m not keeping up with it. And that’s with an employer trying their absolute best to be understanding.

Nurseries have been closed here in Scotland since before Christmas, and the sum total of government support for working parents has been “we know this is tough” and “we expect employers to be flexible”.

I would have hoped that Keri Starmer might recognise the consequences of closing nurseries when people need them to work, but eh, it’s just childcare isn’t it. Doesn’t really matter. Hmm

wonderup · 10/01/2021 12:04

And put in proper legislation to protect parents jobs and salaries when they have to stay home and do childcare instead

Yes even if that does actually happen I would rely on it. There are already lots of legislation to protect workers but...

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 10/01/2021 12:05

@MarshaBradyo
If it comes down to it, I would expect the people (father or mother) whose child it is, to make the sacrifice for their child, yes. This could be shared by the mother or father.

No, I would not expect you to pay fees. I would expect nursery staff to be given furlough so the nurseries could open after the pandemic.

Swissypup · 10/01/2021 12:06

I wish they'd make nursery kids wear masks. I'd be happy with that for ours. Anything to keep them open. If other countries can do it so can we.

wonderup · 10/01/2021 12:06

Absolutely they should close if schools are! Can’t see why they were the exception

Really? you really can't see one reason?

TempsPerdu · 10/01/2021 12:07

Well he’s lost my vote then. Utterly tone deaf to the realities of working parents’ (for which read women’s) lives, not to mention small children’s developmental needs.

DD3 is an only and nursery is currently her only contact with her peers. If they close again I’ll be breaking the rules and risking a fine to enable her to meet up with friends’ preschoolers. I refuse to keep her isolated for months on end again.

Fancycrackers · 10/01/2021 12:08

@Marzipan12

Yes nurseries need to close and schools need to reduce the amount of kids. This pandemic will take much longer to get under control if they don't take stronger action which would mean a much longer period of time away from school for the rest of the children and teenagers.
Exactly this.
wonderup · 10/01/2021 12:08

No, I would not expect you to pay fees. I would expect nursery staff to be given furlough so the nurseries could open after the pandemic.
How does that work? you know furlough isn't free for employers & businesses generally have more costs that just wages

Hardbackwriter · 10/01/2021 12:08

@GoldenOmber

I dread to think how I could do that with a toddler and hats off to people who manage to work from home with one... Please tell me how

It’s horrendous. Feels like failing at both work and parenting all the time. I do a lot of emails and calls from my phone while walking around the house/garden after my toddler, and I cram in hours at my laptop after the DC are all in bed (except that’s really late now because there’s no school/nursery to tire them out). It isn’t enough and I’m not keeping up with it. And that’s with an employer trying their absolute best to be understanding.

Nurseries have been closed here in Scotland since before Christmas, and the sum total of government support for working parents has been “we know this is tough” and “we expect employers to be flexible”.

I would have hoped that Keri Starmer might recognise the consequences of closing nurseries when people need them to work, but eh, it’s just childcare isn’t it. Doesn’t really matter. Hmm

We had to do it during the first lockdown and I think I cried most days. I am so, so relieved that whatever happens I won't have to do it this time round because I start mat leave in a week - I just said on another thread that if the trade-off is that I have to give birth alone I would 1000 times take it over working full-time while caring for a toddler again. I still feel so much guilt about how little care DS got and how unsafe it sometimes was; it would have been considered neglect under any other circumstances. I don't think anyone who hasn't done it realises quite what is being asked of parents if you take away all childcare for under 5s and tell them it's fine if they work from home.
TheKeatingFive · 10/01/2021 12:09

And put in proper legislation to protect parents jobs and salaries

i wish people would get real about this

A) it’s totally unenforceable

B) most businesses are really struggling. What are you expecting them to do? Prioritise the jobs of parent workers who can only do half their hours because of no childcare and is very limited during office hours, over the childless worker who can give all their time and energy to the job.

Seriously? Confused

catgirl1976 · 10/01/2021 12:09

@AgnesNaismith thank you for the link - survey completed

Schoolchoicesucks · 10/01/2021 12:10

12/15 staff in my friend's nursery caught Covid in November/December. I don't know how many children also did.

I don't know how nurseries can continue to operate as usual in these circumstances.

Xenia · 10/01/2021 12:10

It is essential they stay open. Yet another reason never to vote Labour. Had Labour chosen a woman there is no way she would be suggesting this. Labour has never chosen a female leader. It is not a party women should support.

HazelWong · 10/01/2021 12:10

I wish they'd make nursery kids wear masks. I'd be happy with that for ours.

No way my 1 year old would wear a mask! You do realise that babies and toddlers attend nurseries not just preschoolers?

ancientgran · 10/01/2021 12:10

I dont know her, but presumably Georgie will have to find another job whilst not looking after mindees to pay her bills. She is then unlikely to reopen as a childminder in future for risk of having to close again and that situation will be replicated across the country. This decision will close lots of early years settings I thought that would be the only reason but I didn't think it would be that easy to get a permanent job at the moment.

Hardbackwriter · 10/01/2021 12:10

In general I've been astonished to see Labour female MPs who normally portray themselves as champions of women and mothers (Stella Creasy, Tulip Siddiq) agitating for nurseries to close on twitter, it feels like they're completely divorced from what that actually means for their female constituents.

TheKeatingFive · 10/01/2021 12:11

Well he’s lost my vote then. Utterly tone deaf to the realities of working parents’ (for which read women’s) lives, not to mention small children’s developmental needs

Hardly surprising coming from labour, huh?