1.5 million people vaccinated already - brilliant!

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They’ve vaccinated 1.5 million people so far and the target is 13.9 million people (the top 4 groups in the attached graphic) by the middle of February, according to ITV. It’ll be a fantastic achievement if they can hit that target.

The government will be providing daily updates on the vaccine rollout progress from Monday 11th January.

It’s such a relief that they’ve got this vaccine and are rolling it out quickly across the country. Considering that it’s only 8th January today, I truly feel like 13.9 million by mid February is achievable.

Come on, let’s do this!

We need a countdown clock. What a shame that tickers are completely unmumsnetty!

@PrincessNutNuts So. On this first dose second dose thing. Pfizer was c. 50% effective after one dose. That meant 50% got some symptoms and 50% didn’t get any. Buuuut when you took out those people who caught Covid 1-14 days after having their first jab, the effectiveness went up to 89%. Then second jab added an additional 2% eg 91%. They still don’t know what happened between 21 days after having the first jab (3 weeks) and 94 days (12 weeks) but I think it is extremely unlikely that the body would ‘forget’ how to make the antibodies.

So we can stop worrying so much about 1 vs 2 jabs.

We just need to make sure those that have had the jab hang on in there for a while. Oxford for 3 weeks and Pfizer for 2 weeks apparently. Have ordered my parents to be super careful for the next 2 weeks until their bodies have the chance to produce the antibodies.

[quote Blessex]@PrincessNutNuts So. On this first dose second dose thing. Pfizer was c. 50% effective after one dose. That meant 50% got some symptoms and 50% didn’t get any. Buuuut when you took out those people who caught Covid 1-14 days after having their first jab, the effectiveness went up to 89%. Then second jab added an additional 2% eg 91%. They still don’t know what happened between 21 days after having the first jab (3 weeks) and 94 days (12 weeks) but I think it is extremely unlikely that the body would ‘forget’ how to make the antibodies.

So we can stop worrying so much about 1 vs 2 jabs.[/quote]
Did the JCVI change its license to single dose?

@PrincessNutNuts no of course not. There is always a benefit of having a second dose. It confers like longevity. So of course it’s good to have a second dose. There is also vaccine evidence that having a second dose at a greater interval is also beneficial. So please calm down.

*confers longevity (means the vaccine affect will last longer)

[quote Blessex]@PrincessNutNuts no of course not. There is always a benefit of having a second dose. It confers like longevity. So of course it’s good to have a second dose. There is also vaccine evidence that having a second dose at a greater interval is also beneficial. So please calm down.[/quote]
I think lots of old people will die because they believe the dangerous nonsense that the first jab is the important one and the second one is just a top up.

I do not feel calm about that.

I think we can see from the numbers in Israel right now that the second dose is vital. They have vaccinated 30% of people, not sure how many are second doses. Their daily infections are at a peak right now at 10,000 a day. Their population is only 8.8 million.

If people start relaxing now we are going to have another peak, I honestly think the second doses should have been given on schedule. Many people who have had the first vaccine just aren't going to sit home for the next three months.

How many of those vaccinated three weeks ago are in hospital?

Or rather, how many of those vaccinated three weeks ago were admitted to hospital very recently?

I certainly hope there is a strategy to ensure second dose uptake. I think even without the 12 week wait there was a risk quite a few people would skip it and the longer wait will make it more likely.

How many of those vaccinated three weeks ago are in hospital?

It would certainly be interesting to know.

So. On this first dose second dose thing. Pfizer was c. 50% effective after one dose. That meant 50% got some symptoms and 50% didn’t get any. Buuuut when you took out those people who caught Covid 1-14 days after having their first jab, the effectiveness went up to 89%. Then second jab added an additional 2% eg 91%.

Good explanation, thanks!

I'd much rather see a single dose rolled out to more people. We've got 36k people in hospital right now, I'd much rather boot them all out with one shot than have 18k struggling and 18k swanning about with a marginal improvement in immunity.

That's not to minimise the concerns about the longevity of immunity that improves with the second shot. I do know the concerns around that, it is a risk, I just think it's one worth taking.

Israel started vaccinating people on 19th December. I wouldn’t expect to see any obvious impact on case number for another few weeks yet.

3 week until immunity starts to kick in, 5 day average incubation period then a few days until getting test results if you are ill. That is a month at least.

There is definitely a risk that people let down their guard too early. But it is too early to take any conclusions from Israel’s data.

I can't find an information on the breakdown of who is in hospital, just details on their latest lockdown. I keep looking for information but I've no idea if I'm reading their equivalent of the Daily Mail sometimes.

Israel only started doing second doses 9 days ago.

It’s nearly 4pm and I’m looking forward to the government vaccination update. Here’s hoping it’s a good one. I’m still positive that we can get to 5 million by close of play Wednesday!

In Israel, 2,185,289 people have received the first dose and 423,123 have received both, according to the Health Ministry. They have now vaccinated 30% of the population, so almost 1 in 3.
www.timesofisrael.com/israelis-aged-40-start-receiving-vaccines-in-race-to-halt-record-infections/amp/

The daily coronavirus figures also show that the total number of UK vaccinations given has reached 4,266,577, up to and including 18 January.

That's an increase of 204,076 on yesterday's figures.

I wonder why it has slowed down. Too early for it to be a trend, though,

@OhYouBadBadKitten

I wonder why it has slowed down. Too early for it to be a trend, though,

Supply issues.

We need 350,000 vaccinations a day to reach the target for Mid Feb now.

This isn't surprising given that we know there are issues with the Pfizer manufacturing that we have been warned about. Upscaling of Oxford should off set that somewhat but its still going to be problematic.

I do think that its going to be ongoing issues of this nature.

Thats why I'm not getting too carried away just yet.

Hugo Gye, inews, has tweeted on the lower numbers.

NHS spox told me today: "There is a reporting lag with some vaccination reporting. Daily publications use provisional data on vaccinations reported by midnight on the date prior to publication."

I guess tomorrow will be the litmus test.