We are now in disaster mode

[lovelemoncurd]

“We are now in disaster medicine mode,” it said.
“We are no longer providing high-standard critical care, because we cannot. While this is far from ideal, it’s the way things are, and the way they have to be for now.”

I see that this means rationing medical care. So those who would have previously been given a chance will now not.

This is really significant!

@MagicSummer the ratio for patients/ nurses in ICU should be 1:1.
If you have to go to ICU at the moment there is one nurse to every 4 patients. This is down to chronic under funding by the conservatives.
We have the highest death rate in Europe because of that blonde twat's incompetence. They don't care about you or your family. If you can't see that then you are also part of the reason we are in this huge mess. If you can't bring yourself to vote for someone else next time, then do us all a favour and stay at home. And please don't clap for the NHS!

nightingale and other destinations still have to be manned , with hospital staff falling victim to the virus its not that easy to get extra nurses and doctors

[quote Smiledwiththerisingsun]@MagicSummer the ratio for patients/ nurses in ICU should be 1:1.
If you have to go to ICU at the moment there is one nurse to every 4 patients. This is down to chronic under funding by the conservatives.
We have the highest death rate in Europe because of that blonde twat's incompetence. They don't care about you or your family. If you can't see that then you are also part of the reason we are in this huge mess. If you can't bring yourself to vote for someone else next time, then do us all a favour and stay at home. And please don't clap for the NHS!
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No government would fund 4 times the number of ICU nurses - that's if you could even recruit that many people to train. It doesn't suit everyone, and not everyone is suitable for that kind of work.And what do you propose to do with all these extra ICU nurses for the rest of the time when there's no pandemic? Pay them to do nothing?
And by the way, we don't have the highest death rates in Europe, Belgium and Italy are ahead of us. Check your facts.

Smile, my life and those in my community were put at massive risk by a decade + Labour government. Towards the end our local hospital was failed. Women left to labour alone, women injected with the wrong things, children sent home with canulas in, horrific rampaging mrsa, everyone was terrified of being sent there in an ambulance and would ask to go to the other place 15 miles away.
Great for the other place just as long as you weren't in labour because they locked their doors on a regular basis, sending more people... To guess where.
I had to give birth in that fucking shit show, with a fear of Labour, leading me to requesting an elc the next time round so I could at least be guaranteed a bed and a hospital.

Amazing how short people's memories are, thankfully that hospital in spite of so called underfunding is now OK and a whole new a and e and maternity wing has been built.

What drives me absolutely mad is this political brainwashed stance that sends us back end forth over the years and actually, nothing gets done.

The NHS and schools need to be lifted out of politics once and for all.

Your experience is not a reflection of the NHS under Labour LickEmbysmiling. The level of satisfaction with the NHS was at its highest as Labour left government. This was evident from the national inpatient and maternity services surveys.
I’m not sure you can hold central government to account for medication errors or cannula in situ. That’s about local failings.

I'm most certainly not a tory voter but I think even the tories on here can agree, can we not, that we are currently being ruled by the B team even for them.

@CaraDuneRedux

Those upthread saying "well, we've closed down schools and it hasn't made any difference, so we might as well not have bothered..."

You do realise, don't you, that there's a time lag?

We only closed schools 4 days ago.

Incubation is about a week to 10 days. From there it generally takes about a week to require hospitalisation. The cases going into hospital now were acquired at or before Christmas.

It then takes a week or two to die, if the patient sadly has it so seriously that they die. So the deaths currently being recorded are from infections acquired about a month ago.

We will not see any impact in the figures for new cases from school closure for another fortnight.

We will not see any impact in the figures for deaths due to closing schools for another month.

(Maths. Why do so few people actually understand maths? Or is it our culture of instant gratification? "We closed schools 4 days ago, I WANT RESULTS NOW!!!!" Violet Elizabeth Bott style tantrum.

Wanders off shaking head in disbelief.)

Schools have been closed since before Christmas so you're wrong. They've been closed 3 week at least.

@Plumbuddle

I'm most certainly not a tory voter but I think even the tories on here can agree, can we not, that we are currently being ruled by the B team even for them.

Who is the A team?

[quote madroid]@CoffeeandCroissant

On that graph there is a dip in early December. Presumably that was the effect of the November lockdown?

If so, that gives me hope that this week's lockdown will have some effect too?[/quote]
In London, SE and East of England, where the new variant first took off, cases were already rising before the November lockdown was lifted.

The new lockdown will definitely have some effect but probably not enough. People not following the rules is part of the problem but the main issue is that the rules are not sufficient to suppress the new variant.

lol. would have been dominic grieve and rory stewart maybe and as for jeremy hunt, I agree he was shit before but why I would feel less frightened by him at this point in time is because he is actually listening to WHO and medical experts -- unlike the current bag who are craven and worse, stupid. except for gove who is clever but so evil.

@MarshaBradyo to be fair, BJ has done great things for the cause of Scottish Independence 🤷‍♀️

Plumbuddle

“I'm most certainly not a tory voter but I think even the tories on here can agree, can we not, that we are currently being ruled by the B team even for them.”

Is there an A team? WTF are they?

I think we are kissing so many deaths being reported because of the 28 day thing. If people are surviving more it sounds likely they are also surviving longer before dying because of treatment they have.

I get the covid then hit by a bus argument but is there not a more nuanced way of reporting/recording?

Surely not THAT many people are out and about infront of busses atm for that to be a huge thing.

I wonder if people aren't thinking it's as bad as it is cos people are surviving longer before dying and so aren't in main stats

But ye haven't closed schools. In Ireland we have closed all schools again including Special Education schools. The doors are literally locked. They are not open for vulnerable or key workers children. Colleges are closed. Some creches are closed too. We shouldn't have opened back up for Christmas. Now we have the highest incidence rate per 100,000 in Europe. And we have the new mutant strain too. The only positive thing is we are using the private hospitals again for surgeries.

@lovelemoncurd

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/08/the-worst-by-a-cataclysmic-margin-the-race-to-save-the-nhs-from-covid?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

😂 the guardian, of all sources

Seen on another thread

Tory voters - next election

Stay Home
Protect the NHS
Save lives.

If that isnt a slogan at the next election it certainly out to be.

If this government hasnt been deliberately trying to kill off their population it certainly seems like it. I could most definitely have done better.

They. Don't. Care.

https://twitter.com/haggis_uk/status/1349280342117593088?s=21

Jeezus even Piers Morgan is starting to seem entirely reasonable.

Your experience is not a reflection of the NHS under Labour LickEmbysmiling

Except it absolutely is? It is true lived experience

I was reassured to see infections coming down yesterday. I really hope it continues.

@FluffySocks75 I agree
I think we are kissing so many deaths being reported because of the 28 day thing. If people are surviving more it sounds likely they are also surviving longer before dying because of treatment they have.
I heard it can take several weeks from infection to admission to hospital and thanmorr days toget sick enough for ICU..Hence why ONS of COVID mentioned on death certificate is 6000 higher.

Many more days to get sick enough for ICU

I'm in Essex. We currently have almost 1000 COVID cases per 100k population. My friend's Dad had to wait 10 hours for an ambulance this week because ambulance s were backed up in A&E car park waiting for space for COVID patients to be admitted. I don't doubt for a minute that COVID and non-Covid patients are dying for lack of available treatment. I daren't let my kid climb in the park at the moment for fear he might have an accident.

@BatleyTownswomensGuild

I'm in Essex. We currently have almost 1000 COVID cases per 100k population. My friend's Dad had to wait 10 hours for an ambulance this week because ambulance s were backed up in A&E car park waiting for space for COVID patients to be admitted. I don't doubt for a minute that COVID and non-Covid patients are dying for lack of available treatment. I daren't let my kid climb in the park at the moment for fear he might have an accident.

There are bound to be people dying whilst waiting that long for ambulances whether for covid related issues or other things. I'm expecting a huge amount of inquests to be happening when this is over.

Jeezus even Piers Morgan is starting to seem entirely reasonable.

I actually think this is one of the craziest things to have happened in this pandemic.

Still giving themselves whopping great pay rises I see! 😡🤬😤😖😠