Why the government won’t do a proper lockdown?

[Jangle33]

The NHS say for LONDON they will likely be short by 2000 to 5000 beds.

They won’t be treating people who are in a road traffic accidents or have a heart attack. I cannot even begin to imagine what the staff are going through.

Can someone people explain why the government are not stepping in and:

• rethinking the number of “key” worker children they have permitted to attend. 50% of kids in school is not sustainable.
• make it illegal for unscrupulous employers to not allow staff to work from home who perfectly are able to.
• close cafes
• close click and collect
• police enforce breaches
• close garden centres and other non essential retail
• anything else I’ve missed...

We will all be locked up for longer with this halfway house and more people will die.

They need to act fast.

Most of the population would not tolerate a Draconian lockdown China style. Plus people don’t worry that they will get water cannoned, shot or disappear if they break rules.

Your missing the point.

Lockdown ISN'T to stop people dying of covid. It's to try to minimise the pressure on the NHS.

Do you really think if we had enough resource to accommodate everyone who could get seriously ill so that we could attempt to care for them we would have any restrictions?

The government don't care that people are dying. They care that they are unable to show that they have adequate resource in place to care for those who are ill.

It's all smoke and mirrors and politically driven and I will NOT stand by and let the government erase my civil rights under the guise of 'saving lives'

And before anyone jumps down my throat. I follow all current guidelines but I would not support more.

@Nancylovesthecock

Your missing the point.

Lockdown ISN'T to stop people dying of covid. It's to try to minimise the pressure on the NHS.

Do you really think if we had enough resource to accommodate everyone who could get seriously ill so that we could attempt to care for them we would have any restrictions?

The government don't care that people are dying. They care that they are unable to show that they have adequate resource in place to care for those who are ill.

It's all smoke and mirrors and politically driven and I will NOT stand by and let the government erase my civil rights under the guise of 'saving lives'

And before anyone jumps down my throat. I follow all current guidelines but I would not support more.

This. The government dont want people "not to die". They jusy want them to die at a manageable rate.

Well if the NHS hadn’t been underfunded for years we probably wouldn’t be in this position. PP is right lockdown isn’t about stopping us getting COVID it’s about stopping us all getting it at once and highlighting just how broken the system is.

The government don't care that people are dying. They care that they are unable to show that they have adequate resource in place to care for those who are ill.

This. And I really don't think for e.g. click and collect is a major cause of the strain on the NHS.

The virus won't just go away if we are all good girls and boys. We're just trying to slow down the flow of hospital admissions while frantically vaccinating.

Re: schools there seems to be this view that if you aren't a nurse your job is not essential, such as a thread saying accountants are not keyworkers. Well if you want the January tax returns so we can pay for the NHS, yes they are, and they can't do it accurately loooking after their 5 year old.

And for those who think we should be arresting people or getting the army involved (I know your out there, some of my family and friends included) your deluded and don't understand what your asking for.

Do you really want to live in a world where we are not free to do as we please? Where we have armed police patrolling streets and army enforcing laws?

Think about what your asking for PLEASE!

And even if we did, where would these people magically appear from?

A quick Google shows that we have 145,000 army personnel of which only 80,000 are trained 'front line' (those who would be patrolling) and 101,000 police constables. 180,000 people to 'police' a population of 65 million. Think about that for a second. Its just not possible.

Close click and collect??

That's one of the BEST ways to minimise exposure when shopping and there aren't unlimited delivery slots for goodness' sake... Or should we starve?

I agree with you but the majority wont

The government want us to catch cv in an orderly fashion, bit by bit so we don't swamp the Nhs and make them look likes dicks and get voted out. That is all. People die all the time from a wide range of things. Nobody particularly cares other than close family friends. Cv is no different

Yes I agree with Nancy...it's why, in my opinion, they built the nightingale hospitals. They basically don't want people dying in hospital corridors. Looks dreadful on news reports

They won’t be treating people who are in a road traffic accidents or have a heart attack.

Where / when did they say this?

@IggyAce

Well if the NHS hadn’t been underfunded for years we probably wouldn’t be in this position. PP is right lockdown isn’t about stopping us getting COVID it’s about stopping us all getting it at once and highlighting just how broken the system is.

Totally agree.

Also, all if the things I like to do that in part helps me manage my mental health is closed and tbh, together with trying to ensure my anxious DH doesn't tip over the edge and getting DD to go outside for fresh air and exercise as well as dealing with her normal teenage moods I am close to having my Falling Down moment. If we lockdown any more (but still insist I, a keyworker, works) and all I am doing is working, eating and sleeping, I might as well chuck myself under a bus. We are heading for a MH armageddon.

Would 'proper lockdown' mean shutting all the busy industrial estates, factories and warehouses etc?

Tbf I think the op means close click and collect for non essential shops like Argos / ikea etc not grocery shops

Because people don’t want to be under lock and key.

They want people to die at a slower rate and not all in one go. That’s what lockdown is for.

They won’t be treating people who are in a road traffic accidents or have a heart attack.

Do you have a source for this or are you just scaremongering?

The OP means close click and collect for non essential retail.

I don’t think people realise the huge numbers of staff who have to mix to operate click and collect. We have hundreds of staff in my non essential store - logistics, sales, customer services, managers, security, HR, cleaners etc and all completely unnecessary if the risk is as big as they claim. This is replicated in stores all over the country except Scotland as Scotland closed non essentials.

We endured total lockdown for 3 months.. With minor lockdowns for 4 months leading up to it (Melbourne, Australia). There was nothing open that didn't provide take away or click and collect only. We were not allowed more than 5km from our homes. We were only allowed out for an hour a day for exercise. Masks were (and still are in many settings) compulsory. Borders, both internal and external closed (with the exception of short term quarantine) We haven't completely eradicated covid but we are now in the enviable position of being able to slowly roll out a vaccine rather than having to rush it.

Lockdown works. Short term pain for long term gain.

There’s another thread saying primary aged children shouldn’t be prevented from mixing - the government have a tough job judging where compliance is achievable.

If you think the rules should be tighter behave accordingly. I haven’t been to a garden centre in months. The government can’t close the borders to freight because we are not self sufficient, so the virus will always be circulating.

If you want police everywhere, WFH for all, food deliveries you must accept that all the people who make that happen are key workers and their children need to be looked after. I’m rather horrified that 50% of workers are faffing about in non-essential jobs when public services are so understaffed, but that’s a wider discussion.

Yes I am not proposing we close down click and collect for food/essentials.

But walking down my high street I can click and collect for the Body Shop, WHSmith. That is not essential and as a PP poster made clear, huge numbers of people work to make that happen.

And if we don’t ease up on transmitting the virus we are going to be stuck in this half arsed lockdown, which is already ruining my children’s education and economy and mental health. We will just be stuck for longer, surely?

Its too late anyway, people are dieing in my wifes hospital waiting for ventilators to become available, half the patients in her icu are under the age of 40, they lost a healthy 22 year old yesterday

Just to back OP on what she said about the NHS not being able to treat serious trauma that comes through their doors such as road traffic accidents or heart attacks. That statement was made by an ITU consultant on BBC when the health correspondent Fergus Walsh was inside one of the London ITUs. Basically he was saying that those types of patients need ITU beds and staff, those wont be available because they are full of Covid patients.

Thank you Missy!

Does anyone know why this thread has been moved from AIBU? Lots of other threads on topic have not been. Just wondering?

ODFOD

What are we supposed eat ? Fresh air??

I’m in Scotland and we are in a full lockdown. Well not in my eyes, families still in Tesco like a family outing, teenagers still walking about. Parks busy, no social distancing. Schools busy because of all the keyworkers in the community. My list goes on. The plan to slow down the spread of the virus isn’t going well