Why the government won’t do a proper lockdown?

[Jangle33]

The NHS say for LONDON they will likely be short by 2000 to 5000 beds.

They won’t be treating people who are in a road traffic accidents or have a heart attack. I cannot even begin to imagine what the staff are going through.

Can someone people explain why the government are not stepping in and:

• rethinking the number of “key” worker children they have permitted to attend. 50% of kids in school is not sustainable.
• make it illegal for unscrupulous employers to not allow staff to work from home who perfectly are able to.
• close cafes
• close click and collect
• police enforce breaches
• close garden centres and other non essential retail
• anything else I’ve missed...

We will all be locked up for longer with this halfway house and more people will die.

They need to act fast.

[quote OverTheRainbow88]@Jangle33
They won’t be treating people who are in a road traffic accidents or have a heart attack. I cannot even begin to imagine what the staff are going through.

Where have you read that?

Why is it ok to die in a car crash but not if covid?

It’s really worrying if that’s true, most mini heart attacks can be saved with the right treatment.[/quote]
It’s about prioritising those who have the most chance of surviving.

You do realise that we also need an economy otherwise we are all f#cked???

I don’t think people do get that.

They haven’t the slightest notion of the devastation that’s going to hit public services very soon. I can only imagine the outrage from them when finally dawns.

@Jangle33

The post office is inside WHSmith here and they sell school work books,lined paper, stickers (motivational for kids) etc all rather essential to homeschool

Yes we need an economy. We therefore need to get it open as soon as possible. We need our children in school. We are prolonging the agony, and I believe the government aren’t taking enough steps!

@OverTheRainbow88

It’s not rocket science but it’s in this bbc report

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-55559727?__twitter_impression=true

And if we don’t ease up on transmitting the virus we are going to be stuck in this half arsed lockdown, which is already ruining my children’s education and economy and mental health. We will just be stuck for longer, surely?

I agree with you OP. I hate lockdown, everyone does, I'm not a curtain twitcher or someone chomping at the bit for more restrictions but for the short term I'd like school admissions more strictly controlled so that every child in is one who must be there with no other alternative, nurseries shut, non-essential factory production shut and similar. People's behaviour under the current measures doesn't seem enough to bring the infection rate down.

And you know, it's only been 10 months but could we please consider stopping international domestic arrivals at the airports? What I read this morning was "a negative test at least three days before departure". Not exactly bulletproof.

As previous people have said it is not about getting rid of covid. Doesn't anyone honestly think every cou try in the world can eliminate it? Unless they did eventually it will spread quickly again.

So it's about managing it. -(they admit we can't manage it forever without a vaccine and there will always be an acceptable amount of people that die from it. Same with flu (otherwise we would always be in lockdown because of flu)

Once those most likely the be hospitalised are vaccinated it really won't be the issue it is now.

@EssentialHummus

And if we don’t ease up on transmitting the virus we are going to be stuck in this half arsed lockdown, which is already ruining my children’s education and economy and mental health. We will just be stuck for longer, surely?

I agree with you OP. I hate lockdown, everyone does, I'm not a curtain twitcher or someone chomping at the bit for more restrictions but for the short term I'd like school admissions more strictly controlled so that every child in is one who must be there with no other alternative, nurseries shut, non-essential factory production shut and similar. People's behaviour under the current measures doesn't seem enough to bring the infection rate down.

And you know, it's only been 10 months but could we please consider stopping international domestic arrivals at the airports? What I read this morning was "a negative test at least three days before departure". Not exactly bulletproof.

If nurseries closed people wouldn't be able to work from home effective or home school their children!

Gobacktothe90s forecourts are definitely all open here and in other place as well. When test drives are still being carried out in certain garages it is yet another way of transmission.

I completely understand about repairs and about needing another car if one breaks etc.

But for companies to be actively setting crazy sales targets and still carrying on as "normal" having all sales staff in offices where social distancing isn't easy then it is an issue.

As it is so much of an issue in Scotland with businesses taking full advangage of click and collect whereas some have been forced to close it is very much looking likely that NS is going to be closing certain businesses due to transmission risk.

She did give them the opportunity to do so in her lockdown announcement but as so many are carrying on as "normal" something has to be done to try to reduce transmission risk as the hospitals in Scotland do not have the capacity to handle the cases.

If nurseries closed people wouldn't be able to work from home effective or home school their children!

Clearly some people need nursery care (and primary), but if you’re in a position to keep your child off then you should imo (and I’m not speaking from the lofty heights - I’m at home with a 3yo, juggling work). The government needs to facilitate that though, and it’d cost money.

They built all those Nightingale hospitals back in the Spring and people complained they were empty so were supposedly a waste of money.

In China they have locked down 11 million people because of wait 120 cases.
www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-asia-china-55576961

We kill ten times that in a day currently and are unable to enforce a full school closure. China will come out of this much stronger with less distribution overall to its citizens lives. Unfortunately China is a country serious about dealing with covid this individualistic country would rather drag it out because of our rights

The only reason this lockdown is politically acceptable is because of the “pledged” vaccine. I think that if that wasn’t on the horizon, people would be rebelling much more now, screaming “enough is enough”. The promised vaccine is keeping the rebels docile... for now.

If the government fuck up the vaccine, or it’s not the magic bullet they are swearing it is, and they try to call lockdown number 4, then I think we’ll see the riots and mass civil unrest.

If the government fuck up the vaccine, or it’s not the magic bullet they are swearing it is, and they try to call lockdown number 4, then I think we’ll see the riots and mass civil unrest

They already have messed it up. They are going against the original guidelines and have extended the gap between doses. I get that having even one dose has kept people out of hospital but you cant get consent for a treatment plan then change what they consented to without consent.

No it’s not fucked up yet.

I agree that without vaccine we’d all be in a very difficult position, possibly volatile.

Tg we have some.

Unfortunately China is a country serious about dealing with covid

And yet they hid the true figures and are blocking the WHO from investigating the origins of the disease...

Where on earth are people getting '50% of kids in schools' from? Not the case where I am.

^Same here. My DDs (11 and 8) are adopted and therefore on the vulnerable list and in school (DD1 in year 7 and DD2 in year 4). They have 3 or 4 other children in their classes. So definitely not 50% here.

Same here. Classes capped at 8 each.

I don’t know here how many in. I know someone who had a place last time didn’t this time so maybe our school is one of the stricter ones.

@Jangle33

The whole point is we need to lockdown more stringently or we are stuck in this awful situation for ages.

I want my kids at school! I am working and homeschooling and it is awful.

But this halfway house doesn’t work! And we should have done lots differently, such as shielding the vulnerable properly.

But if we are lockdown can we get it over ASAP and get schools open. There is surely too much open for this lockdown to make enough difference!

We ARE in lockdown.

@Cattasaurus

In China they have locked down 11 million people because of wait 120 cases. www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-asia-china-55576961

We kill ten times that in a day currently and are unable to enforce a full school closure. China will come out of this much stronger with less distribution overall to its citizens lives. Unfortunately China is a country serious about dealing with covid this individualistic country would rather drag it out because of our rights

How many people died of other causes after being welded into their houses we no help or care?....

You want that sort of treatment then you know where you can get it!

@Whatwouldscullydo

If the government fuck up the vaccine, or it’s not the magic bullet they are swearing it is, and they try to call lockdown number 4, then I think we’ll see the riots and mass civil unrest

They already have messed it up. They are going against the original guidelines and have extended the gap between doses. I get that having even one dose has kept people out of hospital but you cant get consent for a treatment plan then change what they consented to without consent.

I think many other countries including European ones would love to be in the position we are now re vaccines... Its the one thing the government has got spot on!

People haven’t the slightest notion of the devastation that’s going to hit public services very soon. I can only imagine the outrage from them when finally dawns

You don't need to "imagine" it - it'll be here all too soon, and I guarantee that the ones shouting loudest will be those who were also the biggest supporters of lockdown

Speaking of which, it's odd that nobody's ever answered the endless questions about how the much-touted "stricter lockdown" can be enforced. Carrying on about monster fines and the rest is all very well, but doesn't address the point that it would have to apply to everyone if it was to be effective - and the will to do that doesn't seem to exist

There are things we could add to the current lockdown rules:-

1. Mask wearing :- wear a mask whenever you are outside your own home. Period.

1. One adult per trolley at the supermarkets (carers exempt). Encouraged to leave children at home with an adult if able.

1. Put an embargo on travelling more than (eg) 5 miles from your home address and advise everyone to carry ID where possible in case questioned.

1. Govt push employers to justify whether all their staff are needed on site. Clarification (eg direct order) given to employers to enforce home working unless in an agreed role necessary on site.