Why the government won’t do a proper lockdown?

[Jangle33]

The NHS say for LONDON they will likely be short by 2000 to 5000 beds.

They won’t be treating people who are in a road traffic accidents or have a heart attack. I cannot even begin to imagine what the staff are going through.

Can someone people explain why the government are not stepping in and:

• rethinking the number of “key” worker children they have permitted to attend. 50% of kids in school is not sustainable.
• make it illegal for unscrupulous employers to not allow staff to work from home who perfectly are able to.
• close cafes
• close click and collect
• police enforce breaches
• close garden centres and other non essential retail
• anything else I’ve missed...

We will all be locked up for longer with this halfway house and more people will die.

They need to act fast.

Why close click and collect?

I'm vulnerable and before can't go to the supermarket but I can drive and collect our groceries.....

Some extremely vulnerable shout get the slots as priority but that will be gone if they close click and collects.

Just wondering where you were going with this?

Today I've bought trainers from Decathlon via click and collect for my son as his feet have suddenly grown. How do you decide what is essential? I've seen people wanting clothes in supermarkets taken away, but my daughter has put holes in her leggings twice in the last two days - she needed more clothes. Is that not essential?

The OP has already said she is not referring to supermarket click and collect.

I am vulnerable and have to go to work to do click and collect on non essentials.

I'm assuming those advocating full lockdown are also happy to sit in the dark without heating, eat dust and defacate in a bucket? Because if everyone stays at home, that's the reality.

FFS.

Piss off OP. Get a fucking grip. What more do you want shut down for crying out loud - you do realise there is an huge economic and (more importantly) social cost to lockdown right?

I'm in London. This feels like lockdown to me. Every day is Groundhog Day. I'm just grateful that we have people working to ensure essential services still exist and things keep ticking over as much as possible.

I cannot understand why anyone wants things to be even tougher than they already are.

It’s ridiculous

So much taken away and still not happy

I wish they’d just impinge the life they want on themselves alone

Goodness I don’t think anyone had actually read my first post.

I am not advocating we turn into China.

I am not advocating we close supermarket click and collect. Delivery of non essential items happened in first lockdown and seemed a sensible compromise to avoid people going into town centres.

It has been widely reported that the interpretation of key workers is wider. Why should a key worker on furlough be allowed to send their kids into school?

If car showrooms, cafes etc remain open it is advocating people should go out!

Just the lockdown in March. It worked!

The govt should have then sealed borders and enforced test and trace and give people proper money for isolating.

I am also advocating unscrupulous employers are criminally liable for making employees attend work unnecessarily, in fear of their jobs if they speak out.

The answer is simple-
Put more money into the NHS- instead of wasting a complete tonne of it on track and trace!! Why did the money not go to the NHS to begin with?

The lockdown in March didn’t work- we are having the same problem a year later, so it didn’t work!! Do you suggest we stay in lockdown forever? That would work.

The March lockdown worked in reducing cases so that hospitals could cope, which was its purpose.

@borntohula

Where on earth are people getting '50% of kids in schools' from? Not the case where I am.

Same. My daughter school has less then 5% of students in.

@Jangle33

Goodness I don’t think anyone had actually read my first post.

I am not advocating we turn into China.

I am not advocating we close supermarket click and collect. Delivery of non essential items happened in first lockdown and seemed a sensible compromise to avoid people going into town centres.

It has been widely reported that the interpretation of key workers is wider. Why should a key worker on furlough be allowed to send their kids into school?

If car showrooms, cafes etc remain open it is advocating people should go out!

You can't advocate for the removal of click and collect for non essentials but allow delivery without first answering two things.

a) what is "essential"?
b) why are you happy to put warehouse workers and delivery people at risk but not people doing click and collect in shops? Either they both matter in which cases non essentials ( however you define it) should be banned from both click and collect AND delivery, or neither do in which case why does it matter if it's delivered or collected?

Cafes aren't open surely

It seems to depend on area and local policies around enforcement; certainly in my east midlands city some are open, but they're ones which also act as drop in/community facilities

My point with Optional click and collect open in town centres is that encourages people to leave their houses and mix when they don’t need to! We cannot stop the economy entirely but goodness me can you not see that click and collect facility in non essential shops is a whole mass of people who would be at home otherwise.

Also lockdown did work the government messed up by how it eased it!

All this money for furlough etc and businesses should have been given to the NHS and potentially the extremely vulnerable and we should just be trying to get on with it now.
What was the point of the nightingale hospitals - we never had the staff for them. It's a complete shit show and there doesn't seem to be any way out.
It's always been allegedly about the NHS and not overwhelming it not about us catching it, so why the fuck haven't they given the money to the NHS to help them?????

I really hope people who want lockdown can shut up and just go and lock yourself up. You already got your lockdown, what more do you want? If NHS is so overwhelmed, why is Nightingale not in use? Thanks to people like you, thousands of kids have no proper education, no interaction with friends. Do you know while you are out for walks, enjoying the deserted street, thousands of parents (keyworker or not) are struggling with work and childcare to the point of breaking? Do you know there are single parents out there who can't send their kids to school and still have to work at the same time? Do you think this is mere inconvenience?

1. The government decides what is essential. They did so for this lockdown and previous ones.

1. Whether goods are shipped into stores or via delivery, warehouse staff still have to work. The risk for delivery drivers is less as they are not in a communal building as much as store workers. Once a store is open it requires security, cleaners etc. Opening stores for click and collect just creates an extra step in the process.

It isn’t that warehouse workers or delivery drivers or nurses’ lives are worth less than store staff; it is just about reducing the overall number of staff needed in workplaces.

From a safety perspective I don’t feel hard done by being in store just as food retail workers have to go in, but from the perspective of transmission in a lockdown having non essential stores open to staff is an additional vector of transmission.

The whole point is we need to lockdown more stringently or we are stuck in this awful situation for ages.

I want my kids at school! I am working and homeschooling and it is awful.

But this halfway house doesn’t work! And we should have done lots differently, such as shielding the vulnerable properly.

But if we are lockdown can we get it over ASAP and get schools open. There is surely too much open for this lockdown to make enough difference!

Tory optics aside.

Who is going to generate the taxation to fund the NHS or pay for the 'proper money for isolating' if businesses are expected to just close.

I do agree that this lockdown is less strict than lockdown 1 yet the situation seems more serious with some hospitals already closer to capacity than in March/April and cases rising. At the same time there is a lot of opposition to restrictions, people are concerned about long term effects on children and the economy.

Hellsbells, absolutely. There’s an economic issue and there’s a health issue; those two things clash and we need to be honest about it.

But you can see on the threads on here that many people are pretty unaware of circumstances outside of the playground. People claiming they can’t go shopping because they are vulnerable - seemingly unaware that the clinically vulnerable have been back at work since the end of the first lockdown and are required to work through this one. People going on about how the NHS will be overwhelmed by key worker children in schools spreading COVID but seemingly unaware that people are in work serving lattes and selling perfume, also spreading COVID.

This lockdown isn't stricter than the first one. It's just that people were more scared in the first one and businesses shut that weren't ordered to because they needed to work out how to operate Covid safely.

I work in furniture manufacturing. We have been allowed to operate throughout the entire pandemic. But during lockdown one no one was ordering, they were scared, didn't want deliveries and people in their homes unnecessarily. 80% of staff were furloughed.

Now we are busier than we have EVER been. We are busier now than we were this time last year. People aren't scared any more. They are fed up.

Sorry, should have said this lockdown isn't less strict than the first one.