People using 'bubbles' as a way of not social distancing

[lozjay]

I'm getting so angry with rule breakers who keep justifying seeing friends and family by claiming they are in their bubble , as I was aware the whole point is not to have so called 100 bubbles of people that's why we are in this shite mess does anyone relate to these kind of humans ? 🤯🤨

@lozjay

I think these bubbles may just be the reason it's spreading so bad

I just picture them like a giant Venn diagram, essentially connecting at least half the country. No wonder transmission continues unabated.

@lozjay

Think we can clearly see who the rule breakers are from this thread !!

Care to expand on that?

@lozjay

I've got no probs with people who genuinely need help I've had depression before , but the fact still remains many are not in genuine need !!

So why did you say we should "do away" with bubbles? That's the opposite of saying you are ok with genuine ones.

Flipping hell I don't want to bubble as the risk is still so high so therefore I have to put up with being alone what I'm saying is if your genuine then fine do what you have to but the problem is most are NOT and abuse the system to socialise whilst we are sacrificing for strangers they are having chit chats and coffees !!

Well, exactly what I said last week, better for children to be at school and adults at work than all this social mixing, people no longer follow rules, it is a fact whether we like it or not.
So it does annoy me more than we are in this "pretend" lockdown putting education and economy at risk rather than look at reality.

@lozjay

Flipping hell I don't want to bubble as the risk is still so high so therefore I have to put up with being alone what I'm saying is if your genuine then fine do what you have to but the problem is most are NOT and abuse the system to socialise whilst we are sacrificing for strangers they are having chit chats and coffees !!

That is the opposite to what you were saying before.

I walked past the park and all I see is parents chatting in massive groups all saying we are in a bubble and the point is that is making no sense. The kids are in the play parks still in mass groups so makes no difference them being out of school really , but someone then could argue the kids mental health is affected if they shut parks and can't play so you can't win no matter what rules you try to set someone will always counter it just like bubbles people who aren't in genuine need use this term of feeling low to get a bubble they aren't entitled to aren't we all fed up and low this is my point

Intrigued to know who the OP thinks on the thread is breaking the rules....

No your not getting it , you thought this was a thread that was slagging off genuine ill people you jumped the gun what it was and is are people being fed up with people saying they feel low so bubbling up

@PurpleDaisies

No we need to suck it up and say no bubbles people will always justify their need and most people who genuinely need them ain't taking the offer up anyway which just leaves all the bubble abusers who are!!

Maybe that’s what you’re seeing but I’ve got single friends whose mental health would be utterly destroyed by months alone. Those bubbles really are a lifeline for people that genuinely need them,

This. I'm not single but do live alone and I really dread to think what state my mental health would be in if I wasn't in a bubble with my DP. Please please don't take that away from me.

It’s because everyone is over it now. What was that crazy dine out for half price scheme about!!

@lozjay

No your not getting it , you thought this was a thread that was slagging off genuine ill people you jumped the gun what it was and is are people being fed up with people saying they feel low so bubbling up

You need to go back and read your own posts.

Who's not getting it ffs?

I think you'll find that most of us agree that people who aren't allowed a bubble shouldn't have a bubble. But the answer to them doing so isn't to prevent genuine bubbles. Which is what you said we should do on page 1.

People felt low so went out for dinner

The get rid of bubbles remark was sarcastic

@lozjay

Let's frigging say no more bubbles

Here you go.

@lozjay

No we need to suck it up and say no bubbles people will always justify their need and most people who genuinely need them ain't taking the offer up anyway which just leaves all the bubble abusers who are !! Young boys have their lives to save us in the war and we can't even handle a few months of hardship what we have endured is nothing compared to the trenches lets not act like it is the same thing !!

And again.

Was this sarcastic too?

Some people who feel like they can't cope being on their own have a bubble right but what if that's everyone in the uk then what is the point in social distancing if everyone has a bubble

We all can't have a bubble fgs

@lozjay

Some people who feel like they can't cope being on their own have a bubble right but what if that's everyone in the uk then what is the point in social distancing if everyone has a bubble

There are specific criteria. It isn’t everyone.

I’m bloody lonely when dh is at work. I’m not able to form a bubble so I haven’t.

Nobody is arguing that everyone can have a bubble.

Only those who fit the limited criteria.

@lozjay

Some people who feel like they can't cope being on their own have a bubble right but what if that's everyone in the uk then what is the point in social distancing if everyone has a bubble

The rules allow for anyone that is in a single adult household, have a kid under 1 year old, or be the only adult that does not need constant care in a household.. to form a support bubble. It is not down to you to dictate what people can do. If you do not agree with it... tough. Take it up with the government. Not the people who very need these bubbles x

It's been misused because the rules have changed so many times.

Bubbles didn't exist at the start, then they did, then "established relationships" were allowed to meet, or something, then you could visit another household as long as you social distanced when there (plus bubbles and established relationships thing still allowed), then rule of six, then three households only (or the other way round I think!), then tiers and new childcare bubbles. Can meet with five other people but only outdoors but now only in a public place. Then the "if you have a child under one on random date", but established relationships ended, then you are allowed to change your bubble......it goes on and on!

I'm in a bubble with my mum who lives three hours away. She's fuck all support to me I can tell you but she needs me now and then. So I can't have a shag bubble. If that were ever a thing!

@lozjay

Some people who feel like they can't cope being on their own have a bubble right but what if that's everyone in the uk then what is the point in social distancing if everyone has a bubble

Equally you could say that noone should live with anyone else. I see bubbles as essentially being one household.

I could easily have moved in with my mum. Bubble would be irrelevant then, but the impact exactly the same.

Personally I amnt against the bubble concept as a whole.

Of course not! There are so many in genuine need of support and that’s what the concept was meant to be for. Too many people suffered so much more than was ever necessary first time round.

The issue is that people now think the term ‘bubble’ is a softener for doing what you want and justifying it by calling it bubbling.

Someone I know (can no longer call her a friend because the way she’s behaved throughout has disgusted me but that’s not for this thread) is one of those posting on social media photos of her and others meeting up for drinks and stuff in each other’s houses. Always with the ‘bubble’ word mentioned. However her teenage son holds houseparties in her home with maybe ten/twenty people in while she’s at her boyfriends for the night, (is the boyfriend another bubble then? Is the son in a house-party bubble?) the teenage daughter is constantly bringing back friends also, and I know they’ve then brought the elderly (and VERY vulnerable) grandparents round for cups of tea, all while she moans to me that the poor GPS are being ‘paranoid’ and don’t want to leave their house for fear of catching covid and how she’s sick of explaining it’s all over the top because they are in her bubble so it’s safe, and she’s having to half drag them to her house in the car to ‘get them out and about’

She genuinely doesn’t seem to understand how much risk she’s putting her own parents at by insisting on bringing them round in her car, when she’s probably been at her boyfriends the night before while the house was packed with drunk teenagers in that very kitchen they are now sat in for a pointless cup of tea that they’d rather not come round for.

The word ‘bubble’ seems to make her think it’s safe somehow?

I’ve had to just hide her social media and desperately avoid getting into any conversation with her because I can’t stand what I’m hearing and i really want it not to be any of my business.

Though I suppose I’ve just ranted on MN about it haven’t I.

People absolutely are not acknowledging that a bubble means you and that household, and not both of you also mixing beyond it. Or maybe I’ve got that wrong and am hand wringing over nothing