I’m just angry now

[BathFullOfEels]

They knew a vaccine would be the only way of getting us out of this mess. The country has already been locked down twice. Why, why, why didn’t they use this time to set up the logistics of distributing and administering these vaccines?

Why, why, why are the government allowed to decide who to prioritise to receive these vaccines when they were always going to distribute in a way that benefits them. Surely any government with an ounce of realism would be self aware enough to realise that they would make this vaccine distribution a political decision and instead allow the decision to be made by an independent third party who can distribute it in a way that would allow the country to get back to work. Instead it’s likely that months and months down the line we’ll all be forced to go back to work despite still be unprotected.

I have visions of pensioners being able to swan off on holiday over the summer while the workers of the country will still be unable to.

It’s an absolute fucking farce. Watching that press conference last night just finally made it snap for me - they genuinely don’t know what they’re doing at all

It does not stop you getting covid the vaccine, it prevents you getting very sick and dying.

Some people just don't get it how the vaccine works.

Aside from the discussion on who should be first. Angry bigots should be last. I’m sure they can stay home and create online bile and vile for the duration without any harm to the economy

Of all the horrendous mistakes the government has made in this crisis, you choose to focus on who they've decided should get the vaccine first? Nice.

@BathFullOfEels

I think it should be front line NHS workers and care home workers, then teachers and schools staff so the kids can return, then all key workers and shielding, all working age people so the country can work again, then 60+.

Fuck off all of you who cant think deeply enough to understand that not all shielding people are old. Or don't work. Or don't have kids...just. Fuck.Off

@Marmunia1975

Does the vaccine even work? Does it prevent people from catching COVID? We've had years of the flu vaccine, yet people still get the flu. Does it stop transmission?? I'm afraid I'm not optimistic. I won't be taking up the vaccine offer anyway.

There is no guarantee or evidence that it doesn't prevent transmission. That is why the OP and other's suggestions are pointless.

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Thank goodness the scientists get to advise and not BathFullOfEels and others like them who are clueless.

Op its a good job you are not in charge of who gets the vaccine. You would rather kill off the elderly.

@Porcupineintherough

You dont understand why they are prioritising vaccinating the people most likely to get seriously ill and die? Really? Are you sure it's not just that you dont see their lives as important ?

Absolutely this.

OP is offensive and ageist. Angry that SHE has not been prioritised, she has as good as said that she should be allowed to get on with her life while the more vulnerable older people should be shut away.

My parents are in the CEV over 80s group and have had multiple serious health crises over the last year. Not Covid related thankfully - yet! If OP and some of the other idiots on this thread were in charge of the vaccination rollout people like my parents and their peers wouldn't get their vaccines anytime soon and would be more likely to overwhelm hospitals.

Also, STOP saying that it is so easy for elderly people to isolate. To people of my parents age and extreme vulnerabilities a few weeks or even a couple of months of lockdown is potentially a massive chunk of the time they have left. Some of them will even die during the lockdowns and potentially never see their families again.

The priority list is correct. This is one of the few issues on which Boris has followed the advice from his scientific advisers.

I myself am in group 6 (Diabetes) so I will have to wait a little while yet, but I absolutely understand why my parents and people like them are prioritised.

OP's posts are ignorant, selfish and offensive.

@honeyhoops I absolutely agree with you. My husband and I have taken no notice of the government rules, because we are intelligent and have common sense. We're in our seventies, we're vulnerable because of that and other health issues, so we have stayed at home since March 16th. I have had to go to the Post office and the pharmacy, but other than that we have done what we can to keep ourselves safe. We haven't had people visiting except when we had a stairlift fitted, and we haven't formed a bubble with anybody. The only people you can trust are yourselves. My husbands ex wife came to drop our Christmas presents and stood out on the drive to say hello. She told us she only sees her friend in the flat upstairs, and they have coffee together . The friend is in her 80s, and very vulnerable, then she asked if we wanted anything from up the road as she was going to have a wander around Dunelm Mill and BMs. She said she'd go to Costa for a sit down before going home. She seemed oblivious to the fact that she was putting herself and her friend at risk. Another relative lives alone but goes out to garden centres and out for meals with her friends across the road, "They're my bubble" but didn't think it was a problem that they have continued as normal with their large family. We told her that was called a possible chain of infection, not a bubble. When we tried to explain, she said "Well, I don't care if I get it, I'm old, I'd tell them not to waste a ventilator on me". I don't think she's really thought it through...

@Marmunia1975

Does the vaccine even work? Does it prevent people from catching COVID? We've had years of the flu vaccine, yet people still get the flu. Does it stop transmission?? I'm afraid I'm not optimistic. I won't be taking up the vaccine offer anyway.

that's good ... it'll make it quicker for those that are behind you in th queue and we dont want it ... wish more people were like you! I could have it tomorrow and pesk myself off to the Maldives!

@BathFullOfEels

I think it should be front line NHS workers and care home workers, then teachers and schools staff so the kids can return, then all key workers and shielding, all working age people so the country can work again, then 60+.

Out of interest, what are your qualifications for dictating this?

Agree with people saying there is a lot of ageism going on in this thread.

Also, STOP saying that it is so easy for elderly people to isolate. To people of my parents age and extreme vulnerabilities a few weeks or even a couple of months of lockdown is potentially a massive chunk of the time they have left. Some of them will even die during the lockdowns and potentially never see their families again.

If you are younger and extremely clinically vulnerable it could also be a massive chunk of the time you have left, particularly if you catch Covid. And unlike your parents (and mine) they would not have already enjoyed a long life.

@Thingybob

I agree with you OP the Covid response has been unfairly skewed towards the very old. We could have cut hospital admissions and saved the NHS if Boris had told the elderly, where possible, that they should shield back in Oct/Nov. Instead he wanted blanket rules for us all so many older people have been bubbling away and having numerous unnecessary contacts.

OP has been back to say that now it's been explained on this thread she understands the vaccine rollout. Take a leaf from her book and engage brain.

I don't think it was people aged 60+ attending raves of 100+ and parties over the festive season.

Bloody hell, how many times do I have to say that I now understand the priorities which were helpfully explained in the first couple of pages.

Anyway, I’m off to go and punch a few pensioners noW.

I agree working people should get it first as we need to go to work older people who are retired don't

So why the hell are we being told that ICU is full of the early 50s and under?
That long Covid is decimating the lives of young fit marathon runners as standard.

It's called "slant", and it's the way that the media reinforces "key messages" - not by telling lies, but by placing a particular slant on what they say. In this case, it creates a hysteria that helps to reinforce people obeying the rules, but it also creates the hysteria that leads to the kind of rubbish you are seeing on this thread, and just about every thread on any Covid thread.

Some ICU's may be "full" of under 50's. It doesn't take a lot of any age group to fill ICU's - there are limited ICU beds. That isn't to downplay the fact that ICU's are under pressure, but to be clear that we have very limited numbers of ICU beds, so it doesn't take many people to fill them! Two years ago (2018) we had the same ICU crisis over flu, but everyone has forgotten that now. I'm not diminishing the seriousness of Covid for those who are this ill - but it is still a very, very small number.

Any young, fit marathon runner (or whatever other healthy demographic you pick) can be struck down by post viral syndrome. It's always happened. It will always happen (unless we figure out how to stop it. Long Covid is nothing different. And it is also very, very rare. It's tragic when it happens, to whoever it happens to, but it is also vanishingly few in number.

But - and I am just picking a news source at random as most are the same - when the BBC website features a new story daily about full ICU's and /or someone struck down by "long Covid" then our perspective on these things changes. We aren't thinking rationally, we are just seeing "bad news" thrust at us constantly and then blowing that out of proportion. That isn't to say that having full ICU's is a good thing, and we must act to reduce those admissions - but it also isn't quite as unusual as people may think. We don't keep thousands of beds lying around when they are not needed most of the time. Facts - that few people get a serious case of Covid, that many don't even have symptoms, and that unfortunately any viral infection occasionally leaves some people with long term effects that we currently don't know how to cure - are not "interesting news" and they certainly don't maintain a level of feeling that strongly reinforces obedience to rules. There simply isn't much mileage in "Please stay at home in case you catch a virus that very occasionally makes you seriously ill". If there was, nobody would ever leave home.

@BathFullOfEels

Bloody hell, how many times do I have to say that I now understand the priorities which were helpfully explained in the first couple of pages.

Anyway, I’m off to go and punch a few pensioners noW.

You have been honest enough to come back and say you now understand. Thank you!

Unfortunately, some postes will only read your OP and rush in to agree with it.

@BadTattoosAndSmellLikeBooze

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Thank goodness the scientists get to advise and not BathFullOfEels and others like them who are clueless.

Agree. As apparent from many threads, there is good reason why mumsnetters are not in charge.

@Moondust001

They are doing thr over 80s first to keep the death figures low, nothing to do with protecting the NHS because without being fucking awful, if my relative at 80+ became ill with covid I wouldn't want anything other than basic oxygen and palliative care. Cos 80+ is a good bloody innings and what happens once they recover? Straight to a carehome to die in a few months time.

Jesus Christ, "without being funcking awful"???? That statement is the definition of "fucking awful", and thank God I am not related to you. I suppose you are also supervising the contents of their will? Slipping in a bit of arsenic if they don't expire fast enough for your mind? You aren't a card carrying National Socialist are you? There is no less value to any life, no matter what age that person is. When we start deciding whose life holds more value then we are on a very slippery slope.

Of course there is a value to life that can be calculated.

A 20 year old with cancer or epilepsy or severe asthma or auto immune disease vs an 102 year old? How long does the 102 year old have left? Realistically? And how long does the 20 year old have left? Covid will be devastating for both and the reality would be that the 20 year old has as much chance of dying as the 102 year old. The 20 year old has a lifetime ahead of them, a lifetime of contributing to society financially. The 102 year old not so much.

I 100% agree that the most vulnerable should be protected first, I don't think teachers should get it before anyone else in the same risk category but the government has put age above the ecv below the age of 80. It should have been rolled out equally across the age groups, all ecv should have been done, not prioritise the over 80s.

And yes, it is vile to contemplate the value of life but its a pandemic and people will get covid and die before this is done. To make the right decision you need to take the emotions out of it and make decisions based on years of life probably available. Obviously the scientists disagree, that's their job to do, they know more than us. But people are entitled to disagree and debate it. And say why they are angry and why they think differently.

I think if the vaccine stopped transmission then there would definitely be a case for vaccinating the working population first (esp. front-line workers, teachers etc), and shielding the elderly until this was completed.

But as this is NOT the case, then the priority has to be to target the vaccine towards those who are most at risk of serious illness, in order to reduce the burden on the NHS.

it is all very difficult for anyone. And fair play on the OP who has changed her/his mind.

if you have relatives or friends who think the vaccine confers instant and total immunity and therefore allows life to go straight back to normal, you need to explain that this is not the case. You need to refuse any contact that is still risky or breaks current law or guidance.

Just seen the report on the behaviour of many just before the November lockdown; rushing out to swill and guzzle, all over each other. Doesn't appear to include many old people. Same for the fuckwit raves at Xmas and new year. (all attendees to those should have locked in the venue for 14 days).

@fucksanta1

I agree working people should get it first as we need to go to work older people who are retired don't

Please take the time to read WHY the vaccine rollout is first for the most at risk of hospitalisation.

The OP did!

Are people still not getting this,?
One they are prepared logistically to give out the vaccine but we have limited doses as funnily enough we are not the only country to need it.
We have more than enough on order but the goverment are not making it.
You give the vaccine first to those who are most likely to become ill or diie etc , this then reduces the death rate , reduces hospital admissions and reduces the pressure on the nhs

Vaccinating teachers won’t stop schools transmitting it across the community. Teachers should be vaccinated for their own safety but it won’t stop school closures