Whitty saying we'll still have restrictions next winter

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-55542393

Fan-fucking-tastic. And I don't swear. Honestly don't know how I'm going to get through this.

@InterfectoremVulpes

inquietant

For avoidance of doubt, this was the specific claim I was addressing

981 died in a single day last week

What is your intention though - to suggest things are not that bad ?

Things are really fucking bad. I'm sick of having to argue and squabble about precisely how bad it is.

It is really bad.

Maybe you'd be happier to just talk total deaths.

Valance said we'd be doing well if we had 20k deaths. We're at >75k now aren't we?

Squabbling over which day they were reported or recorded or happened feels a bit moot.

No, my intention is to deal in facts.

They are both facts.

I'm not the one squabbling ffs. I was responding to a specific claim made that was incorrect.

Maybe you should stop making assumptions about what you think im saying and stop trying to pick a fight with me?

@inquietant

They are both facts.

What are? That 981 and 600 people died on the same day?

God I hate these scaremongering threads

I hate scaremongering politicians and public figures more.

North Korea here we come.
It’s interesting how all the zealous pro lockdown fanatics are not the ones losing their jobs, homes, livelihoods, missing cancer treatments etc, yet somehow they have branded themselves as the ‘compassionate’ ones.

@ArtemisBean

Cynical me wonders if there's an element of self-interest with Whitty. Presumably he's getting paid for all this advice. Will he be losing out when things are 'normal' again? 🤔

Exactly right. Same goes for other public health officials.

@Wildswim

God I hate these scaremongering threads

I hate scaremongering politicians and public figures more.

But Whitty didn't say what the OP of this thread said he did 🤷‍♀️

Exactly right. Same goes for other public health officials.

Getting paid for doing their jobs, whatever next

When I wrote 'over 1000 deaths today' it means over 1000 deaths reported today. That is a fact.

zealous pro lockdown fanatics

@inquietant

When I wrote 'over 1000 deaths today' it means over 1000 deaths reported today. That is a fact.

I didn't see where you said that.

Doesn't appear to have been in any post I've replied to?

'hate scaremongering politicians and public figures more'

Honestly it staggers me people think presenting facts is scaremongering. They tried targeted approaches with regional restrictions which some people 'couldn't understand' now with ICUs being overwhelmed they have had to take a blanket strict approach.

I 'hate' deniers, mask refusers and head in the sand selfish prats.

I wrote it in reply to your post about 600 deaths. My point is - your 600 is itself factually incorrect, because the number on that day is probably still rising.

Facts are important but not when they are a distraction for the key issues.

Too many people are dying on either measure.

@MrsBlue4

At what point are people going to say "no". Being locked up for a year and beyond for a virus with a similar fatality rate as flu. This is beyond comprehension.

This.

Honestly it staggers me people think presenting facts is scaremongering

Given that he didn't even say what was claimed anyway!

Whittys job is to present the facts as they are and to give advice in what needs to be done, he gets paid either way. Its up to the government to decide what to do with the facts and advice so Whitty is not responsible for that.

I'm pro lockdown, we are self shielding due to my baby's disabilities, but I'm certainly still pro lockdown for everyone else too. I'm pro lockdown yet looking likely to be losing my job, DH's isn't secure either and we are struggling to afford to live atm on furlough pay (along with loss of earnings from no self employment or extra shifts) and look to be losing our house.

I'd rather lose my job and my house than my baby though. I experienced the pain of losing his brother and I don't want to lose him too. So yes I'd take a lockdown.

Dont get me wrong, I know its hard - currently not getting any hospital treatment for my own issues nor able to access any mental health support that I know would really benefit me.

And I feel so sorry for our 3 year old who has had no nursery since March 2020 nor any real interaction with anyone other than his parents and baby brother.

But again, I've see the damage, from losing his brother, daily and I know him losing another one would destroy him.

Too many people don't seem to understand its not solely about the mortality rate of Covid. It is the knock on effect that keeping people alive has on the NHS. The knock on effect long covid has on people's health (I know people who have had to give up their jobs or reduce hours because months on they're still struggling)

'what point are people going to say "no". Being locked up for a year and beyond for a virus with a similar fatality rate as flu. This is beyond comprehension'

A 'good' flu year causes 7k deaths. A bad year 20k. We have 77k already with all the restrictions. ICUs are full, not the usual winter pressures they are 130% bed occupancy as opposed to 90%.

It is beyond comprehension that people like you can't grasp this. So you have activities restricted, boo hoo. Just hope you don't get it and need ICU.

@PumpkinChai

Too many people don't seem to understand its not solely about the mortality rate of Covid. It is the knock on effect that keeping people alive has on the NHS. The knock on effect long covid has on people's health (I know people who have had to give up their jobs or reduce hours because months on they're still struggling)

Yes, its about the number of people who end up in hospital thats the issue.

This is why getting those most likely to need hospitalisation vaccinated is imperative at this stage.

The government doesn’t care if people die or are ill. They care about themselves and power, and don’t want to preside over a health service obviously, rather than more quietly, in crisis.

@Tulipsinajug maybe when it becomes just a virus like flu
Bad flu year 20k so far and not been a year yet over 70000 and that is with restrictions and we also have a flu jab to help keep the flu deaths down
How can people keep comparing it too flu especially the new strain which is spreading so fast

@WouldBeGood yes they don't care about a collapsed nhs or the economy being shit, they are doing all of this just to suit themselves , ask yourself what do they gain from this ?