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Whitty saying we'll still have restrictions next winter

453 replies

bathsh3ba · 05/01/2021 17:43

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-55542393

Fan-fucking-tastic. And I don't swear. Honestly don't know how I'm going to get through this.

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wanderings · 06/01/2021 16:30

Again, the usual drip drip drip, just like "face masks might become compulsory in shops". We need to be shouting our opposition to this idea NOW. There's no doubt it's part of the usual strategy of "leak it to the press, to see how the plebs react". If we respond with a gloomy acceptance of the idea, it gives the government the green light.

Lots of the lockdown zealots told us "poor diddums about Christmas, but never mind; there's always next year". NO THERE FUCKING WON'T be if this happens.

This is what I had feared all along. Lockdown has now set a MASSIVE precedent, that the government can basically shut down the country on a whim, with barely a few hours' notice, just after saying "we won't do this". We can't keep living in this constant state of never knowing when Ickle Boy Boris or whoever replaces him is going to throw his toys out of the pram, and lock down the whole country, just because he can.

What parting note did one chancellor leave, when they left office? "There's no money left." The same is going to happen again, if Saint Boris keeps shutting everything down, because it's the only strategy he knows; someone forgot to tell him that the magic money tree does not bear fruit for ever, and also that he's only prime minister, not God.

MrsFezziwig · 06/01/2021 17:51

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User158340 · 06/01/2021 18:04

Lockdown has now set a MASSIVE precedent, that the government can basically shut down the country on a whim, with barely a few hours' notice, just after saying "we won't do this

There's nothing more permanent than a temporary solution.

BlueBaubles12 · 06/01/2021 18:43

Thanks to mismanagement of the whole situation at the start particularly, there are no good options. The only options we have are which shade of total shit you prefer. Economic devastation? Loads of deaths? Collapsing health service? Choices, choices!!

Crazycatlady83 · 06/01/2021 18:54

@wanderings
you speak so much sense - the complete and utter long term destruction of our lives and the quiet acceptance by the majority that there is simply no alternative in the name of the “greater good” is very scary!

Rather than saying “next winter looks tough and we will probably have restrictions”, why the hell don’t they say “next winter looks tough and we will be doing XYZ to mitigate this” Use the next 11 months to prepare rather than have it creep up and surprise us!

WouldBeGood · 06/01/2021 18:55

@wanderings yes yes yes

inquietant · 06/01/2021 19:08

I've always had the belief that more people will die because of covid and not from it.

Many hold false beliefs about covid, this is another common one.

the80sweregreat · 06/01/2021 19:19

@inquietant

I've always had the belief that more people will die because of covid and not from it.

Many hold false beliefs about covid, this is another common one.

If you had read my thread you would have seen why I think this way. Cancer patients are on tv saying they are having ops cancelled and i may not be a doctor , but keep putting this off will result in more deaths and I'm sure the figures this year will back this up. I don't want this to happen of course, but lots of things won't be able to take place in our hospitals because of covid and it's very sad.
CuriousaboutSamphire · 06/01/2021 19:25

Yes, we know that. Public Health etc know that. They have been saying that since last March.

But like many other countries they still support the government with lockdown and other civil restrictions.

They have explained why... You don't have to agree with them. But you do have to follow the laws and guidance. And nobody else has to agree with any half baked idea you posit.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 06/01/2021 19:57

'Cancer patients are on tv saying they are having ops cancelled and i may not be a doctor , but keep putting this off will result in more deaths and I'm sure the figures this year will back this up.'

It is a constant balancing act sadly. If operating theatres are being used to accommodate the overflow from ICU then there just isn't the space to do elective surgery. It is all horrible and tragic but emergency admissions always need to be managed.

If only in the build up to this in the Autumn people had stayed at home as much as possible and not mixed households. We had so many threads about 'civil liberty' curtailment and 'dictatorships' but look where we are now. Mental health and cancer ops are of course important but in the tidal wave of covid cases they don't stand a chance I'm afraid.

InterfectoremVulpes · 06/01/2021 20:09

[quote Fieldofyellowflowers]@WouldBeGood

What's the alternative to a lockdown at this stage? What is going to reduce number of cases and deaths quickly. 981 died in a single day last week.[/quote]
What day was that? 600 is the highest so far on 28th

inquietant · 06/01/2021 20:13

Over 1000 deaths today.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 06/01/2021 20:15

981 last Wednesday, I think

1041 today.

It helps credibility to know the details you are arguing about.

the80sweregreat · 06/01/2021 20:22

People don't believe enough that this health emergency is ' real '
They will continue to open up shops and see their families and flout the rules.
I haven't the answers but it is just so sad that many will die because people can't follow the rules.

InterfectoremVulpes · 06/01/2021 20:42

@CuriousaboutSamphire

981 last Wednesday, I think

1041 today.

It helps credibility to know the details you are arguing about.

No, that was the date reported but not actual date of death.
InterfectoremVulpes · 06/01/2021 20:45

Chart of deaths by date of death- those in orange were reported today but happened over a longer period of time.

Whitty saying we'll still have restrictions next winter
InterfectoremVulpes · 06/01/2021 20:49

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

Link to dashboard data showing by date of death. There has been a reporting backlog due to some countries not reporting over Christmas

CuriousaboutSamphire · 06/01/2021 20:59

I am fully conversant with how the data is reported.

It is perfectly usual to use the daily reported numbers, whilst understanding the caveats.

It is less usual to use a different set of data and to expect others to understand you. It's a bit like discussing apples using oranges as your model!

I'll continue to follow the daily reports, and to understand the procedural innacuracies in the figures. Just as most people do.

wanderings · 06/01/2021 21:22

People don't believe enough that this health emergency is ' real '
Perhaps there's a good reason people don't believe this health 'emergency' is real.

It's called the Crying Wolf effect. We are constantly fed a diet of doom and gloom from a sensationalist media, much of which is at best exaggerated and at worst outright lies, and occasionally this comes from the government. If we believed everything we read, there are benefit cheats are around every corner, paedophiles are around every corner, Parliament and Buckingham Palace are falling down so the plebs have to pay for them to be rebuilt, HS2 is essential travel (the irony!), weapons of mass destruction are real, to name but a few. So many things get blown out of all proportion, that it is increasingly difficult to tell what is real and what is not; and most people know that one thing the government does do effectively is spin, spin, spin, spin, spin. Because Saint Boris contradicts himself and his merry men practically every time he opens his arsehole to speak, nobody knows what to believe. We went from "schools are safe" to "now they're closed, and I've given you no time to sort out childcare before you go to work tomorrow morning".

CuriousaboutSamphire · 06/01/2021 21:23

Yes. Damn that ever changing, uncontrollable virus!

inquietant · 06/01/2021 21:32

@InterfectoremVulpes

Chart of deaths by date of death- those in orange were reported today but happened over a longer period of time.
Those dates are not fully reported yet, more deaths will be added to those dates. So it is much easier to talk in terms of recorded deaths.

Tbh we are all talking about trends - and the data is really bad.

InterfectoremVulpes · 06/01/2021 21:33

@CuriousaboutSamphire

I am fully conversant with how the data is reported.

It is perfectly usual to use the daily reported numbers, whilst understanding the caveats.

It is less usual to use a different set of data and to expect others to understand you. It's a bit like discussing apples using oranges as your model!

I'll continue to follow the daily reports, and to understand the procedural innacuracies in the figures. Just as most people do.

Well the poster i was actually replying to made a statement that was untrue.

Others may not be aware of the backlog being reported and where those cases / deaths actually occurred.

Not sure why you then needed to come in being an arse about it. If you want to use incorrect figures that's up to you.

InterfectoremVulpes · 06/01/2021 21:37

Those dates are not fully reported yet, more deaths will be added to those dates. So it is much easier to talk in terms of recorded deaths.

True but I was responding to a poster who said a specific number of deaths happened on a specific date 9 days ago. On the 28th theres a massive difference between the deaths reported on that day (981) and the current actual deaths that occurred on that day (600)

Knowing the difference helps not ramp up peoples anxieties when over 1000 deaths are reported and you know they are actually not deaths that happened that day.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 06/01/2021 21:39

'So many things get blown out of all proportion, that it is increasingly difficult to tell what is real and what is not; and most people know that one thing the government does do effectively is spin, spin'

Do you really think the CMO, CSA PHE etc etc etc are all in on this 'spin'. The escalating numbers speak for themselves.

'We went from "schools are safe" to "now they're closed, and I've given you no time to sort out childcare before you go to work tomorrow morning'

Oh please you must've known it was coming. They of course wanted to keep them open but with cases over 50k it just became impossible. Yes the Monday opening was a mistake but in a rapidly changing situation errors will be made. I think it's admirable they prioritised education for as long as was possible.

InterfectoremVulpes · 06/01/2021 21:42

inquietant

For avoidance of doubt, this was the specific claim I was addressing

981 died in a single day last week

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