Whitty saying we'll still have restrictions next winter

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-55542393

Fan-fucking-tastic. And I don't swear. Honestly don't know how I'm going to get through this.

well simply i think once government stops breaking their own laws so may the general public. it's so simple. it's all been about let's make rules whilst breaking them ourselves whilst laughing at the general public

You do indeed think simply!!

I suspect that behind his mild mannered demeanour he's actually incandescent.

Who, Johnson? The prick who ran around shaking hands with covid patients, gave billions on dodgy contracts to his mates, defended Cummings bullshit, managed to get his damn fool self covid, presided over some of the worst death rates in the world, and has delivered a series of lies, bungles and u-turns?

He would have a massive cheek in which case. Its the electorate that should be incandescent.

Whitty.

EngineeringFix lol fair enough, at least I got that little rant off my chest

Oh god, no, Captain I don't think Johnson has any hidden depths at all.

Rant away, though. We all need some therapeutic steam letting off!

@Bluntness100

This is a 6 week half term (for my DCs school anyway). So would be 6 weeks off including this, 1 week holiday, back in.I don't believe that will happen. And think after the Easter hols in April is optimistic re the vaccination programme

I don’t think anyone thinks that will happen or is saying it will. He specially said they would start to reopen after feb half term but to remember it took two to three weeks after vaccination to get immunity and they expected the bulk to be done by mid feb. Which takes you to the start of the second week in March before things start to reopen.

That would only be around 2 and a half weeks before they break up for Easter weekend. I don't think they'd bring more kids back in when that close to the fortnight's break. And then if vaccination takes longer for the specified groups that quickly pushes on in to the summer term.

Don't worry, I'll never get over the dozy handshaking either.

In 2040 I hope to be around to bore my future grandkids with unbelievable tales of the past and the handshaking PM will make the cut I'm sure.

@ItsNotGreenItsBlue

Well that’s the straw that’s broke the camels back for me, can’t do this anymore, time to call it quits

@ItsNotGreenItsBlue You CAN do it. He didn't say there will be restrictions in the Winter, just that there may be. These could easily be something like no mass gatherings, nothing to do with further lockdowns. Please phone the Samaritans or another helpline. And talk to anyone supportive in real life.

Chris Whitty may look miserable and pallid, but had the Prime Minister acted upon his and SAGEs advice quickly, then we would have had restrictions for shorter periods of time, and most of all, there would have been fewer deaths. Shorter periods of restriction would have meant less economic impact.

If next winter we have to have face coverings in shops, or the doctor or hospital, or have had the vaccine to travel abroad for Christmas, I think many would be happy of they were the only restrictions by then.

@CoronaIsWatching

He's always wrong so I wouldn't pay much attention

Yes, always underestimates the problems...

We will have this for quite some time, unless the lockdown will be done properly this time. But it won't ...

That would only be around 2 and a half weeks before they break up for Easter weekend. I don't think they'd bring more kids back in when that close to the fortnight's break

Which is an excellent way to stagger it. Then with another natural break. But it’s not very quickly summer, summer break starts at rhe end of July. That’s three and a half months.

I really don’t understand why people are squirming so much to make this so much worse? Isn’t it bad enough already?

It will not be the same come this winter. Nicola Sturgeon has saud by the start of May everyone over 50 plus the ECV will be vaccinated, after this there will gradually be a reduction in restrictions

@CoffeeandCroissant

What he said was: "We might have to bring a few (curbs) in during the next winter, that's possible, because winter will benefit the virus."

This was the point I made the other day.

We'll probably get nearer normality in July/August but then what happens when the non-vaccinated kids and students go back in September and the virus starts to circulate again? There's bound to be some panic.

@PattyPan

* “Hopefully we’ll have spring, summer, autumn, possibly winter as well, with almost nothing in place, once the full vaccination programme is through. But we just need to be aware of the fact this is not a problem that just disappears.”*

This says to me that we will hopefully have most of the year with only very light restrictions while people get vaccinated but that we might need restrictions again next winter if it starts getting out of control again like seasonal illnesses. Which isn’t unreasonable IMO, I think you are being a bit pessimistic if you are reading never ending restrictions into it.

I think we'll be in something like tier 2 by April/May and tier 1 from June. Question is whether the inevitable explosion of cases in September from schools and colleges (and variants probably brought back from foreign holidays) puts us back in tier 2 or 3.

@CaptainSandy 😂

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

I think he must be very exasperated seeing people break the rules ALL the time.

If it was me I'd be at that podium rolling my eyes and muttering at all the press cameras "get a fucking grip, you fucking imbeciles, and do as you are fucking told or I'll come round to yours and duff you up"

I suspect that behind his mild mannered demeanour he's actually incandescent.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Please do a presser. I'd actually love someone to do this

They honestly couldn’t organise a piss up in Brewery.

Getting Weird I have watched the West Wing. I could do CJ with added banshee.

Link to the schools article ? I can't believe well I can, but I don't want to think it that my child will miss years of school. All I wanted was my child to do better than me, they can't happen if I'm his teacher 😏

It’s not about cases though. It’s about the NHS being overwhelmed. If all the vulnerable and over 60s have been vaccinated then there’s no reason to carry on with restrictions.
Unless I’m missing something?

@Delatron

It’s not about cases though. It’s about the NHS being overwhelmed. If all the vulnerable and over 60s have been vaccinated then there’s no reason to carry on with restrictions. Unless I’m missing something?

No you’re not missing something. The people panicking are forgetting that for the overwhelming majority of people below sixty and with no under lying conditions this is a relatively benign virus. I think less than four hundred died? Yes it’s four hundred too many and no one wants to be in that four hundred, but of the hundreds of thousands of people who have had it in this age range it’s a tiny percentage.

In addition, as time goes on, the ability to treat gets better. And the vaccinations don’t just stop when they do the over fifties, they will then do the rest of the population other than kids.

@Bluntness100
The HUGE problem with this cited 400 w/no underlying condition, implying explicitly 80k had underlying conditions is a false premise.

If you look at what constitutes as underlying condition, you will find that there are a lot of conditions which are not at all life limiting, much less life shortening. For all purposes they are -from a life expectancy perspective- healthy. So if you group these together with the absolute no underlying condition the number will not be in the 100 or 1000s.

This argument has been disproved/explained so many times over the months and yet it still prevails. Even though it is simply stupid.

The sun, I understand that totally. I also understand what you’re saying, but many many adults below a certain age really do not have underlying conditions.

Obesity for example is not a life limiting issue below a certain age, but couple it with a respiratory disease and both together and it can be.

@Bluntness100

The sun, I understand that totally. I also understand what you’re saying, but many many adults below a certain age really do not have underlying conditions.

Obesity for example is not a life limiting issue below a certain age, but couple it with a respiratory disease and both together and it can be.

and yet when counting deaths for example obesity will put that death in the "with underlying condition".

above 60% (? i'm not sure) are obese in this country....

And then you have diabetes, ibd, ibs, mh, autism.
Same argument goes for many: living with ibd won't necessary shorten your life and you can be in remission for decades. And you can die of covid whilst in remission (eg for all intent and purpose again: healthy) and yet be lumped in with the "underlying condition" group.

hope that makes my point clear.