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Whitty saying we'll still have restrictions next winter

453 replies

bathsh3ba · 05/01/2021 17:43

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-55542393

Fan-fucking-tastic. And I don't swear. Honestly don't know how I'm going to get through this.

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Bluntness100 · 05/01/2021 20:13

[quote emptydreamer]@Bluntness100
I don't need to google it, I actually know it because I studied it. I will repeat again - the majority of countries in the world do not have mass flu vaccination programmes, and they don't lose 10% of infected population every season due to flu. There have been no observations of 10% fatality in the times before flu vaccine became available, which is a tiny period of time compared to the history of medicine and even the history actuarial science (if discussing reliable stats).

10% fatality rate is typhoid fever territory, not flu.[/quote]
This is simply inaccurate, read the who data at least. I don’t know what you studied but your answer is both erroneous and confused. For some countries it is a low priority disease, for many many others, Europe, the USA, Canada etc it is a huge effort that is undertaken annually to vaccinate the vulnerable and elderly annually.

They spend this money for a reason. And rhe death rates are still high. Approx 30k people annually in the Uk even though we vaccinate.

The data shows, the who and many many scientific journals are published and available that shows If the countries who vaccinate did not, the death rate from influenza would be approx ten percent.

The vaccination program is global. Six billion people globally are vaccinated annually and the who says it should be ten billion. The countries who don’t, like some poorer African countries, don’t do so primarily due to cost.

Asia Pacific, the America’s, Europe, many parts of Africa. They all vaccinate against the flu. It’s an enormous global effort.

Christmasfairy2020 · 05/01/2021 20:15

Hmmm. Wasnt this thread all for school closures yesterday??? Im very greatful both my children will be going in as a key worker child! Kids need to be in school!

BlueBaubles12 · 05/01/2021 20:17

@SpnBaby1967

I've made no secret of my dislike for lockdowns and restrictions but even I can see that CW didnt say what the OP is suggesting.

I heard it as once the 15 million elderly/CEV are vaccinated we can gradually lift rules, much like much of the country did in summer. If winter needs measures, IF, my bet would be something like facemasks and WFH where possible. Not everything shut like this year.

I swear, the doom mongers on here need to get a fucking grip! Plus, this isnt happening because "people aren't following the rules" its fucking happening because it's a bloody virus doing what it's designed to do. And whilst a large proportion of people may not like or even agree with restrictions out of the 66 million people in this country I expect the vast VAST majority are abiding by them. A virus is doing what it does best, spreading. The fact it mutated to be more transmissable shows we had it on the run and its had to evolve to survive. But usually more transmissable means less deadly and the numbers seem to support this.

Eventually we will learn to live with it like we live with flu and a whole host of other illnesses that can be deadly to some but not most.

Calm the fuck down!!

This, 100%
CuriousaboutSamphire · 05/01/2021 20:17

@Peppafrig

Home school until summer they should all repeat a year then
There might be a case for that... if anyone can decide where that repeat ought to be.

One case would be to change exam criteria for GCSE and A Levels, BTECs etc and use year one at University to fill the gaps (it is often used to do this in some ways anyway). That way all post compulsory educaton could find it's own way through what it deems necessary leaving compulsory education to work on a reduced load.

There are many other ways to ge to the same point, but it isn't as simple as everyne stats where they are for a year. You have to find a natural break point, or we will forever be looking at a group of 4/5 year olds who should be in school, but are not!

Maybe now is when we dismantle ideas of pre school schooling and start compulsory ed at the age of 7!

burntpinky · 05/01/2021 20:17

They can interfere with human rights as long as it’s legitimate and proportionate for those banging on about human rights

Spiratedaway · 05/01/2021 20:18

@MadameBlobby totally agree

Carlislemumof4 · 05/01/2021 20:20

I wonder if calls for that will grow.

I have two summer borns whose start we already delayed by a year though. Birthdays would put them in Year 5 and 3 but they're currently in Year 4 and 2 respectively. So they'd have to move up anyway I think.

Year 6 DD a good idea in one way but she'll be 12 in the autumn, more than time to move to secondary really.

It would seem a desirable possibility for Years 9 - 13 though.

TheSunIsStillShining · 05/01/2021 20:21

@Dementedswan

Wait what?! Schools could be closed for rest of academic year?
Schools are not closed. They are teaching remotely. Big difference.
Bluntness100 · 05/01/2021 20:23

Schools are due to reopen in early March.

Honestly it’s like nothing can stop the scaremongering.

Quaagars · 05/01/2021 20:29

@Bluntness100

Schools are due to reopen in early March.

Honestly it’s like nothing can stop the scaremongering.

Exactly! People just aren't reading For crying out loud people, please don't get all your "facts" from randomers on MN, that way madness lies! BBC News does a good summary and transcript of what's been said, somebody linked it upthread.
Carlislemumof4 · 05/01/2021 20:31

@Bluntness100

Schools are due to reopen in early March.

Honestly it’s like nothing can stop the scaremongering.

It doesn't help to give parents but most importantly children a false belief there is no question they will return in 6 weeks. That's the soonest but government ministers are already hinting it will be longer.

As if they'll have vaccinated the numbers they're talking about in 6 weeks. And sadly cases are only going to continue rising for a time yet.

I think primaries should have stayed open to all with mask wearing and teachers prioritised for the vaccine but we're back to home learning for the long haul. The bbc programming for at least three months for homelearning indicates that too.

CatherineOfAragonsPomegranate · 05/01/2021 20:37

I swear, the doom mongers on here need to get a fucking grip!

Say that to all the people who have list their jobs, are now surviving on less than £400 a month bills not included, are losing their businesses and homes.

Pretty much their doomsday and something to panic about, just a few more months of this will break some people!

Bluntness100 · 05/01/2021 20:37

It doesn't help to give parents but most importantly children a false belief there is no question they will return in 6 weeks

Ehrm, who are you talking to? Becayse I said early March. Not six weeks. Early March is nine to ten weeks. Confused

Even Boris said after feb half term. Who is saying six weeks?

itsgettingweird · 05/01/2021 20:39

They can't guarantee schools will be physically open for more after half term.

That's the aim they want.

Boris explained the variables that may put that back (for once he actually explained and was clear)

He's also said his priority is to open up schools for f2f education first.

Who knows how they'll do it? They may start primaries and then work up? They may do mass opening with a proper testing set up?

But he categorically did not say they may be closed until September. He just omitted to answer the question. And I don't blame him. As shit as our government are and have been why give the media a date to beat them over the head with?

I feel for the first time they've cocked their heads above horizon and realised right now we are in a precarious situation.

Presser Thursday with promises of actual data.

Then next week daily pressers to keep us informed.

I think the behavioural scientists as well as medical have been extremely clear they need to bring the public back alongside them and the way to do that is honesty and clarity.

I also think Boris may have had lessons on presenting to the public. Or he's just no longer doing some public persona thing as instructed by Cummings and Cain. He's certainly changed his public addresses since they went!

Emmie12345 · 05/01/2021 20:44

Ofc we will always need some sort of reactrictions alongside vaccination as this is a coronavirus and it will mutate all the time

It’s a new paradigm and we need to adjust our thinking

Carlislemumof4 · 05/01/2021 20:45

@Bluntness100

It doesn't help to give parents but most importantly children a false belief there is no question they will return in 6 weeks

Ehrm, who are you talking to? Becayse I said early March. Not six weeks. Early March is nine to ten weeks. Confused

Even Boris said after feb half term. Who is saying six weeks?

This is a 6 week half term (for my DCs school anyway). So would be 6 weeks off including this, 1 week holiday, back in.

I don't believe that will happen. And think after the Easter hols in April is optimistic re the vaccination programme.

firthy85 · 05/01/2021 20:46

they won't care until we reach a point of total ruin. i get the first lockdown and to some extent the second but the third?. johnson talks about briton like some sort of younger churchill whilst he is affectively fucking us over. the older people used to complain about maggie in the 80's hahahahhahahahha. in the words of a well known song "you aint seen nothing yet". if this pandemic was deadly serious we would have spent all last year totally lockdown with only supermarkets open. none of this let's open this and close that, let's introduce restrictions in local areas whilst others faced nothing at all. my fellow mumsnetters seriously as much as i love you, start using your brains

CuriousaboutSamphire · 05/01/2021 20:49

Gin ???

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 05/01/2021 20:50

I think he must be very exasperated seeing people break the rules ALL the time.

If it was me I'd be at that podium rolling my eyes and muttering at all the press cameras "get a fucking grip, you fucking imbeciles, and do as you are fucking told or I'll come round to yours and duff you up"

I suspect that behind his mild mannered demeanour he's actually incandescent.

EngineeringFix · 05/01/2021 20:51

It

Bluntness100 · 05/01/2021 20:53

This is a 6 week half term (for my DCs school anyway). So would be 6 weeks off including this, 1 week holiday, back in.I don't believe that will happen. And think after the Easter hols in April is optimistic re the vaccination programme

I don’t think anyone thinks that will happen or is saying it will. He specially said they would start to reopen after feb half term but to remember it took two to three weeks after vaccination to get immunity and they expected the bulk to be done by mid feb. Which takes you to the start of the second week in March before things start to reopen.

EngineeringFix · 05/01/2021 20:54

Did Whitty not say, when pressed by a sneery journalist as to how he would be spending his Christmas, that he'd be doing a shift in a hospital..as in previous years.

Yes, he must have a lot of self control.

Bluntness100 · 05/01/2021 20:54

So to clarify what Boris said was it would be approx ten weeks before schools “started “ to reopen.

SpnBaby1967 · 05/01/2021 21:02

@CatherineOfAragonsPomegranate

I swear, the doom mongers on here need to get a fucking grip!

Say that to all the people who have list their jobs, are now surviving on less than £400 a month bills not included, are losing their businesses and homes.

Pretty much their doomsday and something to panic about, just a few more months of this will break some people!

Surely that is even more reason to listen to the ACTUAL report and not what the doom mongers of MN are reporting? Panicking about what some MN posters have extrapolated from their paranoid ways is not the way to cope with uncertainty Confused
Echobelly · 05/01/2021 21:04

I would fully expect there to have to be some restrictions next winter, I think we'll have to go through at least one more winter with some disruption until we are out of the woods. But nothing like this scale, I'd imagine.